Guest:​ The first thing, the memory I told you about—I’ll go over it again—I’ve had this memory since I was…as far as I can remember, like two or three years old. Of course, it was probably more vivid then, but it’s that I was talking to someone or something almost choosing my path, almost choosing the life that I want to live. In doing my research for it, I looked everywhere. I know you have such a wide background, seeing some of the same things. I’ve looked at stuff with near death experiences, or what happens in you—These people from all over, they meet God, or whatever, in the Universe and it kind of shows them their life and does an overview of their life. And…I’m just trying to put it together. Is it something you see before you start, before you’re born, and then you see the same thing when you’re done? [1:44]

Eric:​ Alright, let me stop you there. I know you’re kind of new to what I teach, so that’s kind of the reason why we want to record this from the very beginning. I do not believe in 99.9% of—that’s kind of a spread of a lot of the teachings that are out there, a lot of the information. It’s my personal experience from doing psychic work since childhood that and in practicing my spirituality that my view is very different. It’s not incredibly far, but— I guess when you say to me that you wanted to have a hard life, per se, as a challenge or whatnot, before you incarnated into your life.

Guest: Right.

Eric: ​That is all workable in what I think and believe, but what is your current belief of what afterlife is? [3:19]

Guest: It’s going, I guess, to a different plane. I guess it’s going to a different dimension. It’s “the soul leaves the body.” How do I say it? I don’t believe in any religion’s kind of view of the afterlife if that makes sense. [3:28]

Eric:​ What do you believe? You’re telling me what you don’t believe and I find this [to be] the conundrum for most people. In order for you to understand, when you say that you asked for a hard life when you were incarnated, it’s kind of important for you to have some understanding of what life is before you incarnate so that [you understand] why you would ask such a thing. [3:41]

Guest: In my research, [I found] that we’re sent here to learn lessons, or sent here to grow and we’re given the same lessons and they’re put in our path and repeated until we learn or understand them, but it’s almost what I believe from a lot of these videos and talking to people, that when you die you’re brought up towards this warm, loving life. You feel this light, that you’ve done this before, this it isn’t the first time, that it all kind of makes sense, and then you’re to this wonderful kind of place where [there are] deceased people and [there are] these things and colors and things that we can’t imagine, even on Earth, or picture. Then you go to this place, what happens when you’re there I don’t know…Is it that you then “rechoose” another life? [4:05]

Eric: ​Okay, that’s all good to know and I think that’s what a lot of people believe, or in that region. My question is to you: if everybody is there who has passed and there’s people coming in and people going out, does that mean that cavemen, prehistoric men [are] also there, and they were there for—? [4:59]

Guest: ​That’s always been one of my questions: is every single person there? Are people there that—[5:22]

Eric: ​Well, considering the population ratio… The next question is if people incarnate, and that’s the way it always is, then [with] people who are born, some don’t have a soul? Are they developing their soul so you have a replenishment of new ones and then you have the old one’s recycling? The numbers don’t work for human population. On a universal level, I suppose you could say anything because we don’t know what the population is in proximity or distance to other species. Putting that [out], let’s back up and let me just tell you what I teach at Higher Balance. [5:27] So, I do not believe that everybody has a soul. That’s usually a shocker for most people. I believe that it’s about probably 15% of the population [which] has a soul. The rest of them, and I say this jokingly, are soulless. That doesn’t mean that they’re not loving, they’re no caring. I think my mother fits into that category. I think there’s a lot of people that fit into that category. I think that a soul is created by reflection on who and what you are, self-awareness, self-reflection. I believe that the quest or the question that drives us so insanely to find an answer to the universe is essentially what drives us to develop a soul, a dimensional body. It’s very complex, but there is what I call Prana. I teach people to see it with their eyes to prove that it exists and then to condense it and show you guys how to kind of have a little bit of control over your experience with it. That is the presence of God. It’s like Luke Skywalker and the Force. In order for you to really benefit from something, I believe throughout the teachings that I give, that you need experiences and you need, in the beginning, a lot of them real quick, so that you’re like, “This is it! This is absolutely the real deal,” and then you work on the more complex stuff and you have more and more breakthroughs that are even more and more experiential. It really goes back to the fact that I believe that the planet is a living organism in space. It doesn’t have to have arms or a head like us or be bipedal. [There are] all sorts of things throughout the living universe, micro/macro. You could say that the planet looks like a microscopic organism. If you zoom far enough out from our galaxy, you would see that we’re just a speck on the planet. The sun becomes a speck. You can’t even see planets. So, this is like a microscopic versus [macroscopic]. I go into all of that also. To get to my point, let’s just say the planet’s a living organism and if it’s a living organism, it has to have a neural system, a mind, if you will, a consciousness. This has always been referred to in old-school, they call it, as the “Akashic Records,” or this place where we can move our minds and we can get information. The idea is that everybody who’s lived as a human being, [at] a certain intelligence level, all of their knowledge and wisdom is imparted into this Akashic Record, into this whatever. I believe that it’s the Gaia mind. I believe that it’s part of the living organism just like you have a brain, and your brain communicates to your body. So, if you get an infection or there’s a virus in your body, there are red cells and white cells. The white cells are like the warriors, and they have reincarnation, if you will, because you never catch the same cold twice. It’s like, they can die, but when [there are] new ones, they have that ancient memory somehow. Where did it come from? It’s rewritten into them, in a way. So, your brain is a hub of holding data, sharing data, granting levels [of] information to your microscopic world. They live and they die for you. When you touch something, you’re getting information. You’re getting millions of little bits of electricity, like puzzle pieces, and when they all shoot up into your brain, it rebuilds it. That’s how you know what a structure feels like, how you can map it out in your head. Your eyes do the same thing. Your ears do the same thing with sound. It converts it into electricity so that your brain can rebuild the puzzle really fast. This is your five sense. So, everything is living and dying for you. All of these cells are living, whatever their micro life is, and it’s like their surrendering their soul, their information, their life experiences to a bigger collective consciousness, which is your mind, your brain. In a sense, the Earth has the same thing. It needs a neural system so when people, what I call Red Cells ironically, and what I call the 15%. I call them the White Cells. We’re just nuts about finding the Force and operating in it and doing what it wants us to do and connecting with that. We’re white cells in the body of this organism, if you will. The Red Cells are a necessity because, if you really think about it, if everybody was a White Cell, there would be no contribution, necessarily, to the consciousness of the planet. It’s like saying, if your body is all white cells, you’re not going to live. You need things to basically move vitamins and minerals around, oxygen, repair damaged liver, kidneys, skin. You need them to be doing what they need to do. The White Cells know what their job is. They can recognize something. They seem like [they have] a higher level of awareness or intelligence because they’ll recognize a virus, whereas a red cell is just kind of “doh dee doh dee doh dee doh,” and it just kind of moves right past it. It will signal for others if it assesses that it’s a force to be reckoned with, if you will. It will gather other white cells. How does it communicate? What’s it sending out? It’s going through this neural system of your consciousness, which is all technically electricity within a biochemical brain within the organism. It’s a railway. In essence, when one says “a soul,” I don’t believe that there’s this heaven idea. I believe that people who chose, or did not have a feeling of spirituality, or desire, or interest, or were very dismissive of it their whole life but kind of got into it and kind of didn’t, they contribute their consciousness, if you will, like little raindrops into smoke evaporating into the air. They move their consciousness and surrender it into the planet’s consciousness. It becomes one with them, just like all the cells in your body. Whatever you learn from them, whatever they sacrifice, whether it be touching—I mean, a big majority of dust in a house is dead skin. Those are the dead bodies of cells that were once living, contributing information to a nervous system which communicated the information to you. They’re alive in your consciousness. You don’t think about it that way, as an individual cell per se that gave you that information, but really, you’ve moved on. The 15% is what we’re focusing on. So, when you develop a spiritual body, what I think of it as is another body. So, you have your organic body, you walk around, you’ve got a living organism for this dimension. You cannot operate in this dimension if you’re energy because you can’t integrate with stuff. You can’t those experiences without a body, [which] ironically converts those experiences back into energy. It’s like a radio. We can’t hear radio waves, but we need the radio itself, the box, it’s body, if you will, and all of its components to convert this invisible information into a more physical sound, into something that we can understand within the realms of our organic body. Otherwise, it’s invisible. As energy, this whole planet’s not accessible, this whole universe. We need something designed that can convert, like a radio, what’s invisible to us. So, we have a body that converts everything into electricity, which is what we really are. In essence, that’s why we have a body. We incarnate into a body because I believe we’re serving the Force. The universe’s body is all the planets, the stars, the solar systems, the galaxy. I teach all of this and we’ll get into it later. I like to think I’m logical to a degree, but the point is that we are like white cells to the body of God as white cells are the guardians to you in your physical, organic body. There’s this [repetition] that we see in physics and such, and that is why we are the way that we are. So, a Red Cell and a White Cell from a certain standpoint, [look] very much the same [until] you look really closely. In essence, when you say, to get back to your question, that you asked for a hard life to come into this world, this is probably correct. You have to think about why we would do such a thing. I would say, then, to one—I would compare it to a video game. Why do you want to keep upping levels in a video game? You’re being attacked, you’re being brutalized, you’re being challenged, you’re being whatever. You, as a person, thrive on new experiences, new conquests, new challenges. So, when one evolves spiritually and you’re in an energy form, you want to serve the universe but [there are] also levels of challenging yourself in order to see what you can overcome. In a way, if you serve the universe and you come in as a White Cell, you kind of have a role. You want to fulfill that role. Time here, a hundred years, it’s nothing to energy, as an energy being. It’s nothing. It only feels like something when you’re organically in a body. We will challenge ourselves at times in order to whether we can overcome such a thing within ourself. It’s like self-learning, if you will, self-exploration. In so, that’s where I would approach it from. I see you as an old soul who’s probably incarnated many times. Challenging yourself to do this was likely because someone that you loved in a previous life may have suffered like this, or had this challenge without medication, without all of this stuff, or maybe [it was] not as advanced. The point is that sometimes we put ourselves in the shoes of others and we have to look at them as lifetimes rather than in the moment. In order to resolve inside of ourselves how to fix this, or what [this means], or how [we can be] more empathetic, how [we can] relate, it’s data. It’s experiencing data and awareness in order to, more or less, be able to help others in a way. This is the initial drive. It’s also whether you can control and manage your own consciousness in an organic body to deal, cope, overcome challenges. These are all learning programs. Not to mention, in many cases, I don’t think that everybody or all White Cells ask such a request, “I want a hard life.” Do you understand? You get kind of like a deck of cards shuffled. You get what you get. The human body, at the end of the day, is like a car. It’s a vehicle that you, as a soul, are driving inside of. You’re the operator, but you don’t fully control everything. If that car has a problem, you bring it in to get fixed. If you can’t afford to get it fixed, then you find ways to cope with it or kind of milk it along, per se. In a sense, I think that a lot of times, when we incarnated into human bodies, you get what you get. You’ve got to take that situation and figure out how you’re going to make the best of it to serve the universe in the meantime, and to make it operational.

Guest:Have you heard this from other people, like, “I’ve got this faint memory that I’ve chosen this life?” [18:00]

Eric:​ I’m on record in audios and books that I chose my life. I chose my parents. I chose, coming into this life, what I wanted. I didn’t want someone that—You’ve gotta kind of go back. [There are] so many layers to teach someone. People say to me, “Well, when you hear most spiritual teachings, it’s like [there are] five food groups.” It’s almost—I don’t want to say I laugh at it but I want to laugh at it because it’s so childish, in a way. The complexity of this knowledge is as complex as life. I would say to you, “Does the ocean have twenty kinds of species? Does it have a hundred? Does it have a thousand? Does it have a hundred thousand variations?” It’s probably got millions depending on how big or how small you want to go and how high [you can] count. In essence, this applies to what you’re asking. There’s not a simple answer, but it’s an answer you can understand as your mind begins to expand through conversations like this and working with this as an idea. In essence, I did not want to have a— When you incarnate, let me explain something to you. A lot of people wonder, “Well, how come I don’t remember my past lives,” or “how come I don’t remember them in detail like I remember what I did a year ago? It’s still vague but I remember it well and I can draw upon that or the experiences,” or that “I learned to play the piano twenty years ago and I’m still doing it, why can’t I go into a past life and find that I could play the violin and bring it here?” Now, there are teachers out there that will tell you, “You can go back into your other lives and learn all this stuff.” I don’t buy into that. If you have someone you truly love, in this life, and that person tragically dies, how does that affect you psychologically for a year, ten years, your lifetime? It affects you depending on how much you love that person. You mourn over them, there’s a part of you that may not be able to disconnect for years from that feeling because you just are so distraught from it. Now, imagine three of the people you love dying, all within the same week or month. This would really mess you up psychologically, emotionally, depending on how much you cared for them and the fact that you’d look at the loneliness of your life [with] those people not being in it. Each life, because we are organically [incarnated], we not only find joy in love, but there’s also suffering and we learn from all these things. That’s the point of it, to serve the universe, but to understand what we’re working in and serve it better. In essence, if you were to remember your past lives, you wouldn’t be operational. You wouldn’t be able to function right now. You’d be so mortified, so depressed, so destroyed psychologically that you simply would not be able to be who you are. It’s a necessity to suppress, greatly, life after life. The human body could not endure such emotional contrast compounded [within] it.

Guest: Right, compounded, it would just be too much. [21:21]

Eric: ​So, in essence, you have to have that buried away. This is why we don’t really recall past lives very easily. We can get bits and pieces on a rare occasion, but it’s very hard to verify or not. It’s like it’s there for necessity. It’s a safety feature.

Guest: Part of my journey, I’ve looked into that. I actually did a past-life progression, and the person I did it with explained that some people will see it like a TV: they’re sitting in front of the TV and they’re watching everything. Some people, it comes in bits and pieces. For me, I would just get a glimpse of very vivid—very, very vivid—and then, gone. Like I said, it was just very difficult to pull from. Did I know if it was just my mind creating it? I don’t know, there’s no way to verify it. [21:42]

Eric: Right. So, what I’m trying to do is give you a working model so that you reapproach what you’re experiencing and you’re able to pull back better information from it. So, let me ask you a different question. If you ask for a hard life and you’ve accepted that and that’s the circumstances of why you are…I mean, I like to look at things scientifically, psychologically, whatever. I’m not a psychologist, a psychiatrist, or a doctor, or any of these things, just so you know that. I mean, I’m a spiritual person. That’s what I’ve spent my life doing. I certainly have a good understanding of things. The fact that you were diagnosed with a challenging problem, [means] that there’s a part of your psyche trying to find resolve as to why you. In other words, “Why me? Why is this happening? Why? Why? Why? Why?” In that process, the coping mechanism of your consciousness could be saying to you, “Okay, well, this is something so you can accept your situation better and you asked for it.” Maybe, this is, in a way, how you approached the challenge or the problem that you’re dealing with. It’s overwhelming, especially when you first come across it. We have to look at the reasonable before we look at just the spiritual. I believe that you asked to have something to challenge you, but when you say “challenge,” most people would say, “That’s so arrogant, so ego. Why would a spiritual person be like, ‘Give me something to make me suffer so I can, whatever.’” What I think is that, in the card shuffle, you got what you got. In a sense, I don’t think that there was a specific as to “give me this problem,” or “give me that problem, or this range of problems, or this grouping of situations.” Why not lose your whole family, in a way? You lose a leg. Why not go blind? It’s a card shuffle. You get what you get. We serve the universe. That’s what we live for. In that process, it wants you to be wherever it needs you to be based on the knowledge and skill level you have, psychically, spiritually, whatever, so it can work with you, so you can do what you need to do for it. In that card shuffle, I think you ended up with this. You might have said, in a sense, spiritually, to the Universe, “Give me whatever challenge is necessary. I’m not worried about circumstances, I’m just here to serve you,” and in the process, this is the deck you got shuffled. This is the card.

Guest: I guess I view that as like, [the] supreme being, the universe, whatever, intentionally said, “You’re gonna have this disease, suffer these things, and because of it, [you’re going to] meet this person, [you’re going to] be in this relationship, [you’re going to] get this job, [you’re going to] be the kind of person that you are. [You’re going to] be a kind person. It grows you. Like you said, it’s a grouping, it all comes together as like, if you’re given this ailment, this is [going to] be the outcome. That’s [going to] grow your soul and that’s gonna present you with certain issues that you resolve and grow from. The thought that something would say “Go through this,” and all the terrible, terrible things I’ve had to go through because of it, it’s like something is watching me, something is—It’s just hard to grapple with. It’s like, I’m done kind of learning and then I’m thrown something else. Like I said, grappling with that, [that] something intentionally made me suffer, is hard to do. [24:53]

Eric: I don’t think it intentionally made you suffer. I would disagree, from my position. I think that you are a White Cell, old soul. You basically said, “Look, put me wherever you need me and that’s that.” Everybody has disease on this planet. This is a factor. It’s a card shuffle, what you get, whether you’re going to get cancer or not. Three out of four people, in their life, will get cancer. Most people have various genetics in them that haven’t “kicked on.” They could kick on tomorrow, they could kick on in a month, they could kick on in ten years, or they may never kick on at all. People have diabetes and people say, “Well, it’s because they’re too fat,” and yet, [there are] people [who are] born with it and they had nothing to do with what they’re eating. They have to do that. In other words, if you believe that you said, “I want to suffer,” does that mean that everybody else on the planet who is blind or has a disease or has a whatever…Did they all basically say, “Give me something I can suffer [through] to learn from it?” It’s just a card shuffle. Guest:​ It’s like a child born in Africa into starvation versus— [27:09]

Eric: Poverty, yup.

Guest: ​Beyoncé. There’s no way. Do you know what I mean? [27:16]

Eric: ​What I’m saying is that I don’t think anybody asked for the circumstances that they have. I think it’s a card shuffle. There’s some of us who evolve spiritually. Like I said, I chose my family. I chose my family because I needed to be where I needed to be and some people believe I’m enlightened. Let’s go with whatever you want, but there’s a level of consciousness that I’ve attained. It’s not to say that I specifically chose somebody. I narrowed it down to the best possibilities. You’ve got to have a pregnant person. They’ve got to be ready to give birth. I don’t believe that—and this is another thing that I’ll probably get smack for, because it’s going on the podcast, but I don’t necessarily believe that the soul is already developed within the womb. It’s when the baby is coming out and cresting and it’s just moving outside of the birthing process and they’re probably, maybe a foot out to two feet out. I believe, at that moment, if a soul is going to incarnate, it moves into the body then.

Guest: In that same sense, you know, it comes into the body. Does it leave with—You know, these things about near death where they’re on the operating table and technically they die and their soul lifts out of their body, they move out of the body and they watch the situation. Is that same soul entering and leaving? [28:38]

Eric: Well, look, if they’re likely White Cells, then they have the ability to move outside of their body and see. You’ve got to keep in mind something. This is such a variety of knowledge to teach you in a short amount of time. Look, when you’re energy, do you have eyeballs? Do you have eye cones to capture light reflection? Do you have eardrums to hear sound with in the way that you do? Do you have a tongue to taste with? Do you have a nose to smell with? You’re organically designed a certain way. If you were energy, you are not going to see the room in the way that you do while you’re using your organic body. You may not even see the room at all. Having said that, I believe that when a person has a near death experience, because that breaks into branches of what happened during that process, [whether] it’s in different categories. In this particular case, if they’re over their body, I don’t believe they’re brain dead. I believe they’re doing a remote-viewing, psychically, from their brain still, and it’s making them feel as if they left their body because they’re looking at things from above, down. If they’re brain-dead, then it’s a whole different story. So, their body might have stopped, but [their] brain didn’t stop. If the brain is dead, then ten to one, you’re not coming back. What I’m saying is because their body failed, there was a level of the brain moving into a psychic mode, or a level of moving out. You have to keep in mind also that when a Red Cell dies, who hasn’t worked on a dimensional body—Let me get back to that. [A] dimensional body is a body designed for dimensional space, if you will. It’s like your soul. The body isn’t your soul, it’s energy that contains your information. Everything you know is like computer code. Everything you experience, your emotions, your beliefs, everything, is data. If you don’t have a container for it, it’s like dust in the wind. You can just blow it out, and this moves into the Gaia mind then, and it simulates that as itself, just like cells of your body do. So, if you are a White Cell and you self-reflected, you built yourself a dimensional body that’s coexisting with your organic body. Inside that dimensional body that you’ve been working on and building is the energy which is your consciousness. You could say it’s your soul, but it’s your consciousness, if you will. The dimensional body is designed to move through dimensional space. Your organic body can’t go there. So, if you don’t develop that body, you still have all that data in your brain. It’s energy and everything, so when you die, it begins to dissipate. If you are not brain dead, in this particular case, I think that the body is dissipating, organically, like a Red Cell would, but it’s still being kind of coagulated, if you will, because there’s not brain death, so it’s kind of keeping it all within a realm of proximity of the body still. It’s feeding data to it. It’s remote-viewing, leaving the body in that case. In other cases, you can have something similar, but if there’s a dimensional body, it’s lifting, but it still would need the brain living to correspond that information, or it would need to basically—I mean, it would hold the information but it wouldn’t be the same. There are plenty of people who have death experiences and come back [and] they don’t remember [anything] at all. That’s the vast volume of people. When you hear about near-death experiences, again, it falls into that 15%, or [within] a range.

Guest: What I’ve tried to do is—you said 15% of people—kind of put the stories together. This person says this thing, this person says that thing. They don’t know each other, they’re not corroborating stories, you know what I mean? They had individual experiences. What are the consistent pieces across those stories? I’m trying to build my own understanding of what happens with the soul, with the consciousness, and just trying to piece it all together. It’s complicated, there’s a lot to it, and I’m trying to pin down a definite answer but I know it’s not as simple as that. [33:22]

Eric: ​Well, this is how I look at it. There was a time when we believed in the gods and that was the level of education of the people, the common people. [You and I] would be common people. That education wasn’t even third grade. The level of comprehension or sophistication of your intellect, your mind, to grasp these questions, you’re going to gravitate to things that you can more easily understand without having to really strain your brain, per se. When you ask me, “What is the common denominator,” you have people who have near-death experiences and say they went to hell. Other people said they [saw] angels. Other people say they [saw] their whole family come to greet them. This is still, to me, the brain. This is, ideally, what they think is going on. In all of those cases, they weren’t brain dead. They were organically dead, but not 100% brain dead. So, in a sense, if you dream, that’s one thing. You could believe you’re dreaming if you didn’t know any better. This is, again, the level of understanding. You want to have situations that make more logic. Just because somebody says they were in the room and they [saw] it, doesn’t mean that it was a life after death experience. It could’ve been them dreaming. It could’ve been them [doing] whatever. Does it happen? Absolutely, it does. It’s a real thing. You have to start— Look, I want to know one thing: the truth. I want to know what God is. I want to understand what my role is. I don’t want [any] bullshit. I don’t want [any] fluffy stories. I don’t want [any] colored chakras with chimes going. If that’s reality, fine, I’m all for it. What I want in the end, whether God’s a cruel person or being or whatever, or a giving, loving being, or doesn’t give a shit one way or the other…I just want the truth.

Guest: ​Right. That’s what I’ve always thought. That’s why I’ve always been so kind of anti-religion. I’m just like, “C’mon, there’s no way that’s it. It’s illogical. A child—”

Eric: It was made for children’s brains because it was made over almost 3000 years ago, and then you [have] the Old Testament which, to the common people, that made sense. The majority of people now have a much broader education. We have the internet. We get information all the time. This is why I say, “Why am I teaching what I’m teaching?” I love technology. I love science. I love philosophy, but I’m like hardcore logic. At the end of the day, I teach what I teach because religion is dying. People are asking intelligent questions because they’re getting smarter. They’re focusing, now, on less developed countries because they’re not as witty, and it’s about making money. In the end, so does the New Age movement. As far as I’m concerned, the New Age movement is dying because nobody is buying into a lot of the crap that they’re pitching between colored chakras with chimes over them and putting crystals on their forehead and tarot cards and astrology. This is not for me. I want logical. For me, when I’ve done psychic work, at the end of the day, I can’t dismiss the fact that I was able to do those things. I’m not going to buy into, “God came down with a magic wand, put it on my head, and said ‘You’re gifted!’” There has to be a more logical, sensible reason to understand this. This is what got me to move into a logical perspective in science, in a way, trying to understand what I was doing. Really, they basically don’t have a way of capturing that. In essence, that’s my approach. Did my camera stop for you because it looks like it stopped on the bottom right for me?

Guest: Yeah, I don’t see your face but I hear you clearly. I think you can still see me.

Eric: I’m guessing that the—Was that [like that from the very beginning]?

Guest: ​No, a call came through and I hit end on the call that was coming through, to ignore, but you didn’t say anything so I figured everything was still recording fine.

Eric: ​Well, I noticed down there I’m in this position with the hands out going, “Ahh!” It’s good, we’re good, don’t mess with it. It’s probably the bandwidth and it lowered it to a level that wouldn’t drop or something. I don’t know. In essence, truth. With life after death, there’s certainly life after death. You have to start weeding out the differences, otherwise you just jumble it up into, “Oh, there’s life after death and you go to heaven or these things happen.” The truth is, if you really want to know the truth, you’ve got to start classifying them like the ocean in a way. [There are] sharks. There’s how many varieties of sharks? There’s how many varieties of tropical fish? How many varieties of crabs? How many varieties of coral? It’s still a part of the ocean. You can’t just say “if there’s life after death,” you’ve got to look at it almost on a case-by-case level and break it down so that you’re not going down a fool’s road of belief. That’s why most people who get into psychic phenomena or spirituality are so dissatisfied with their own development, because they don’t really develop the skill that they wanted to, or at least in a way that they thought they would. This is why they keep looking.

Guest: Right. I’m always looking. I never accept “this is the answer, one thing.” I’m like, “No!” There’s so much out there. I want to know the truth, I want to know the truth across a broad spectrum. So, I listen to stories. I listen to actual proof. As I’ve been into ghosts, I love hearing ghost stories. My friend’s mother is the most serious person you’ll meet, she’s not gonna make this stuff up. When she was younger—and this was a story that totally moved me, totally moved me, and I said: “Yes, it’s one step closer to the truth.” She is lying in bed, her friend had spent the night. Her friend had been through a lot of family drama, was really stressed out. Just cried herself to sleep, really upset. My friend’s mother had died a few years before. My friend is lying there in bed. She’s woken up by her mother. Her mother is standing at the foot of her bed. She is not dreaming. She is awake. Her mother said, “Tell (whatever her friend’s name was) that it’s going to be okay, this, that, and the other. It all makes sense when you’re gone.” I missed a few things in between, but I remember she says, “It all makes sense when you’re gone,” and disappears. I took that as, when we die, our whole life, our whole “why there’s bad things, why there’s good things, why there’s cancer, why there’s this.” It all makes sense and you get the final answer and we can’t kind of process it in the human form. To that sort of thing, there’s something bigger and I just wondered about that. What does she mean? What does she mean “it all makes sense when we’re gone?” Why did she come and tell her that? Why is that the only time she’s visited her since she’s passed away? I’m just so hungry for the answers. [39:36]

Eric: ​Let me kind of come at this differently. One of the challenges I have to face all the time when I’m working or teaching people is that my thinking is very different. It’s very—to the New Age movement, spirituality to psychic phenomena—it’s very much broader. I would say to you, “Do you believe in guardian angels or spirits that watch over you?”

Guest: ​Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t. When I hear certain things, it’s a yes, that was an angel. [41:51]

Eric: Let me back up. If you were to die today, would you want to spend the next 80 years watching over somebody? So, you watch them go to the bathroom. You watch them go shopping. You watch them sleeping. You watch them making love. You watch them watching TV. Is this really, as an intelligent being, what you want to dedicate your life to or your existence?

Guest:Right, right. No. So, do they come down and—Do they come down here and—

Eric:​ If they come down, they didn’t incarnate. If they incarnated, there’s a problem. They didn’t incarnate for three years. They’re in a dimensional space, so they came back. They basically chose this moment in time to come back for that person through that crisis. Did they see it? Did they just hear it? What did they do?

Guest: She saw it.

Eric: ​Okay, so she saw it visually? So she said, “Oh my god! This is my mom!” Did she see what dress she was wearing or what clothing, what jewelry, what hairstyle she had on? What did she see because I’m curious?

Guest: ​Right. I don’t remember. She told me this probably 2003. I’m sure she would remember, but she knew it was her mother. Like I said, I’m not [sure about] the clothing. I remember you talked about in the podcast [that] what they come back in matters or why they’re wearing this or why they’re wearing that or their age. She said, “That was my mother standing at the foot of my bed, and I was just in complete shock.” It wasn’t a lucid dream.

Eric: I certainly believe in ghosts and entities. I train people to have these kinds of encounters. What I’m trying to say [is] a ghost can’t use eyes, it can’t use ears, it can’t smell, it can’t taste, it doesn’t have an organic body. That’s one level. If it comes back, it’s manifesting itself to look like something that’s appeasing, pleasing to that person. It had to choose what age it wanted to look [like]. Did the spirit look like what it looked like when that person died? Did it look like it was ten years younger? These things are questions you have to ask and the reason why we ask these questions is that we want to classify it right before we just believe in something in a certain direction. I believe she experienced an entity or she projected something from her own consciousness in front of her in a moment of crisis.

Guest:​ Can I tell you just a quick side note to that? My father just told me this last week, he was talking. He is not religious, he cuts the grass at a church. One of the church members he was talking to just went through a great crisis, great crisis. His son was killed on a motorcycle. He is sitting in church the next week. All of a sudden, projected in front of him is his son. Now, his son’s favorite Bible verse was something about riding in on the sword for Jesus or whatever. Projected in front of him, like a movie screen, is his son in this wondrous land of just these colors and…everything was just so fabulous. His son rides up on a horse, he is wearing a shield with a cross on it and he’s holding a sword. His dad sees this, sitting in church, no one else sees this, projected by his mind I’m guessing, of his son essentially living that Bible verse. Then it disappears. I love hearing stories like that, it fascinates me. Like you just said, it made me think of it. In that period of great grief, did his consciousness, did his brain, just so overwhelmed with grief, project that image to help comfort him, or to—and all it was was in his head? [44:54]

Eric: This is why I’m bringing up what I’m saying and why I said at one time that people believe in the Greek gods, the Norse gods. They believed that when thunder was heard, that it was the god Thor or Zeus throwing lightning bolts or whatever. This is the education of the people. When somebody says, “I’ve seen this or that.” It’s one thing to take that information, but you’ve got to nitpick it. You have to have knowledge. You have to have training as to better classify. It very well could’ve been an entity. It could’ve been a projection. It could’ve been different things. I think when people are grieving, their mind moves into a psychic level. That psychic level can seek out that frequency. It can seek out whatever, or it’s going to move through time and space. We don’t understand that portion of how it’s going on or if it’s going on. You don’t look and say, “I want to force my eyes to stop this image and make it not moving.” It does what it does and you don’t really have a lot of control over certain things, but you really do. It’s just how far in the brain you kick it into. We know this from trauma and all these other different things that the brain can shut down or increase senses dramatically. It’s hard to say. If she’s grieving, I sense that it could’ve been a projection. It could’ve been anything. I do not believe that entities necessarily appear. I think they have their own lives. They move on. They incarnate. They’re— When you die—Hear again, you’ve got to understand this is whole philosophy of thinking that I teach. There’s volumes of trainings and teachings that I have. In one conversation, to give you the nut and bolt answer, I can’t give you the New Age answers. To me, it’s child’s play. I think that they’re just simple answers for somebody to chew on with a certain level of intellect. At the end of the day, to add to this: When you die, you either move your consciousness into the Gaia mind—This becomes a whole new level of experiencing entities because if you dream, can you tell me the difference of the people you meet? If you meet your dad or a friend or whatever, it’s freaking pretty real, their personality, their tones of speech, whatever. Your brain might go in a dark way or in a good way or whatever. It colors it. At the end of the day, everything in there is absolutely as real as real. If you were to pick up a blade of grass, you could hear it rip. You could look at the fibers, the fur on it, everything in your dream. You could dive in the ocean and swim to the bottom and see organisms and the vastness. How vast is the universe in your dream? It’s endless, just like the real one. How real is it in your dream versus real life? It’s [just] as real! You can feel pain. You can suffer. You can do all these things. Having said that, the Gaia mind is very much the same way. Our minds, at times, can move into the Akashic Records, which really is the mind of Gaia. It’s just a different kind of organism. It doesn’t really operate like we do. It holds all of those memories, all of those things, just like you hold all of your life memories, so it holds memories of life’s existence by thousands of years in there. It doesn’t mean it acts on it, but there’s this level of data. It doesn’t mean it’s going to talk like a human, because it doesn’t have a mouth. It’s not a human. It’s a kind of awareness, [in] the same way that you don’t relate to the inner universe of your body and billions of organisms just in your eye alone who can recognize their own species, mate, not mate, run from other species that are going to recognize it versus ones that they’re going to track down and eat or find for food. [There are] trillions of living organisms in you, all independently thinking and existing without any fucking input from you. Pardon the F. We’re, in a sense, the same thing. We’re in this organism that’s within an organism that’s within an organism. In essence, some of the people who are experiencing things are moving into the Akashic mind, and it’s so vivid, so real, just like a dream. In essence, that’s one variable of what’s happening if they’re Red Cells. They’re psychically moving into the Akashic records and they’re seeking. They’re seeking that person that they’re yearning [for]. In that case, the could’ve been why [he saw] it, or it was a projection because he was listening to a bible verse, he painted that picture with his mind and it can be super real, even though you’re conscious. It’s like a dream, but you’re awake. It’s the same means.

Guest: Right, that makes sense.

Eric: It’s the same thing with her mother coming to visit. I think that—I’m not saying that her mother didn’t come. I don’t know unless I talk to her and really break it down into a lot of detail. There’s certain things you would say that would help me figure it out. Having said that, you have to be able to classify case by case and encompass it. If they are a White Cell and they didn’t move into the Gaia mind, and they basically have another body that’s containing them that’s able to move through dimension and space. My question would be—You have to keep in mind, when you do pass and you’re a White Cell—I already listened to this. He’s probably a White Cell. You’re drawn to this. This is why we look for this kind of stuff. In essence, when you leave your organic body, there’s a moment of detachment. It’s like mourning something. It’s like if your pet dies. Man, I cried for the whole day when I lost my cat. There’s this surrendering process, but it happens in what I call “microtime.” As soon as you start moving into your energy consciousness, you’re not mentally slow. Let me explain. I was in a situation when I was younger where I got into a car accident. In the process of the car accident, my car hit—These drunk drivers totaled their car, but they blocked the whole highway. It was hard to see what was going on, so I came down this mountain probably doing about 60. I had a little tiny tin car. I was young and broke. I tried to miss the first car that was in the middle of the road. I got around it and I didn’t know that their car was sideways. There was nowhere to go and I ended up hitting it. My car flipped up and over and landed on the roof. As I was going down—It had kind of just finished raining. It was dark out. These are all contributors, I’ll get to it. My car slid for a hundred feet or more. During that time, you’ve got to remember that visually, it happened very [quickly]. [It was] probably a matter of a minute or two. Literally, like thirty seconds maybe. I was in the car. When they say, “You see your whole life flash in front of you,” it’s true! I thought about all these people that I cared about and loved and I accepted the fact that I [was] probably going to die. It was going to hit the rails, smash further. Something was going to happen and I’m going to be dead. There’s no way I can live [through] this. The windshield was— It was just awful. There was water coming into the car from the pavement, and dirt. It’s black, you can’t see. I’m upside down. All of these things are going on. It’s loud. It’s just fierce. I’m thinking, the whole time, about all these people I wish I could’ve said how much I cared about them and made things right in my life with them if there were things that were unsaid. I’m going through this and I’m like, “Frick! When is the car going to hit the rails? When is this going to end?” My point is that in a moment of fear, your mind is moving faster, electrically, in your brain. You don’t feel that. It’s still processing like normal, but it’s moving so [quickly] that you go through all these things and you feel like you have all these deep conversations with people. It’s because your brain is like a computer. It’s in hyper-speed. Back in the 90s, we used to have a button that was “turbo,” and you could press it for your computer and it would make the CPU kind of run faster. You didn’t want to do it all the time because it would overheat. So, there was a normal level and then there was a higher level that you could hit turbo on. The point is, your brain, electrically, has a set speed. That’s what holds us in this reality, this perception, our understanding of things. It’s so the brain [doesn’t] burn, per se. When you’re in a crisis, it moves faster, so you process faster. Things that would’ve taken me a long time to think about on an organic level were moving faster in my brain because I was accepting death. I knew it was coming. I was panicking. There was probably adrenaline, but I processed a billion thoughts, I felt like. I was bored waiting for the damn car to crash. That still took a while, it was crazy. My point is, when you die, there’s not a more organic brain to slow you down. There’s no rule for how fast that electricity can compute data or move thought. That’s the first thing. When you die and you really leave your body, you not only reflect on the moment of departing—and there’s probably about thirty seconds there where you’re thinking, “Oh my god, I’m dying. This is it,” and that thought process from your organic body moves out. If you’re unconscious, you have a level of consciousness and you think you’re in a dream. This starts branching off into what different ghosts are, why the repeat haunted places, why some stay dressed [and] some look like just balls and orbs. There’s a whole training that I can explain all of this and give. When you go through a matter of probably five seconds in compounded time and your energy—It’s like you grow after that, probably a hundred years, fifty years per two seconds of our time. You mature to such a level because you’re recalling all of your past lives. They’re like pearls. Each life is like a pearl in time and it contains information and data. Like a lotus flower, it’s just unfolding all of this information in your head. It’s like it’s finally free. It’s not suppressed anymore because you’re not in an organic body and you’re not going to be flooded with extreme emotions that you would have biochemically from the body, [which] it would create from adrenaline, from different stuff, to amplify your emotions. So, it’s like you become like Spock to a level. You can feel and you understand but your relationship to how you look at it begins to change because you mature. It’s to say that a child that’s maybe ten years old would become very distraught over something that happens, [whereas] the adult would look at it and say, “Well, it’s a toy. We can get you a new one,” or, “it’s a goldfish and we’ll replace it,” or, “it’s a hamster and we’ll replace it.” To that child, it’s a whole world. It doesn’t mean you’re not feeling anything, it just means your perception has changed. It’s not that you wouldn’t be loving and caring anymore to the hamster anymore if it were alive, it’s just that your perspective has changed. When you start to gain all your consciousnesses, you start to detach from the level or the idea of death, that you live a life and this is who you are. All these human things that we cling to start to look very different very rapidly. So, we are able to detach psychologically better while in human form, everybody would be deeply grieving. Your consciousness and your perception begin to change very dramatically. It’s like reading a hundred books in a matter of hours. Some people say, “Am I going to forget who I am?” The answer is no, you’re not. When you read a book, does it change who you are? The answer is yes and no. It changes maybe how you see things, but does it change the core of who you are? It can’t. It can slowly make you into a more loving person or more caring or more sympathetic, or it can turn you [angrier] if you will, because you see things in a different light that it gave you an insight on. The core of you is always evolving, it’s still you. You compound all these memories within tenths of seconds as you’re leaving the organic body. Once you’ve detached fully from the organic body, that’s when everything you’ve ever lived starts to accumulate as an awakening. It’s like a lotus flower unfurling like in Hinduism. This is what it represents to this level. You relationship or your feeling to intervene on human life, as beautiful as it may be, no [differently] than us believing there’s a heaven up in the sky at one time or that God has a big beard, it’s just what level of education or intelligence you approach this on that you can relate to it. We want loving and caring. We want angels to come down and protect us. We want to imagine all these—The reality is that it’s like a child looking at an adult, or the hamster, or something, versus how your intellect looks at it. Your intellect on life is going to very quickly be very different because you understand, probably, in those tenths of seconds that you’re grieving your body, then you’re beginning to understand. You’re looking at it very differently now. It’s like you’re awakening. So, you’re not as attached to human life in that sense. Do you see what I’m saying?

Guest: I do, I do. That explains a lot, but how are you still thinking? How is there still logic? How is there still—What are you seeing? What are you feeling? What’s interpreting that without a human organic form? [1:00:04]

Eric: Well, there is a level of intelligence that is formulating by organizing electricity. It’s like saying why do—If you look at a model of an atom and you see the core of it, you’re going to have the [protons] spinning around it. What keeps them spinning around it? It’s magnetism. It’s physics, but you start getting into quantum physics and that law of physics is very different than the law of physics that we have on a more macro level, a larger level. This is why, in science, they’re always like, “It doesn’t make any sense why it all of a sudden changes.” When you have consciousness, the reason why you need an energy body, [is that] you need to get electricity to follow like a railway. It’s the same reason why you don’t fall apart. Molecules are kind of holding hands, stitching everything together in a certain way that creates you organically, or the chair, or the car, or anything. It’s still the same process. As you convert over to a finite energy and you leave this level of molecular structure, if you will, you move into a different level of structure, a structure that contains energy in an organized way. The intelligence that you have is no longer organically used, with biochemicals to affect and create it or contribute to it. Your memories are stored a certain way between biochemicals and electricity, so that’s removed now. There’s an order to how that data is strung together. It’s like computer code: zeros and ones. It’s creating an order of your memories, your identity, everything, and it has its own intelligence, it’s own brain, but it’s not an organic-looking brain. It’s a centralized level. It’s hard for us to imagine this from a kind of three-dimensional perspective in our organic way. You’ve got to wrap your head around it. It has layers. It’s kind of like a Gobstopper, this big candy that kids suck. If you break it, it’s got layers and layers and layers and layers to the core. It’s kind of like that. It’s like there’s these layers of complexities and organizations with other layers. That’s the body, much like you have your brain up top, your eyes, your nose goes lower, your mouth goes lower, your neck is extended. You have glands in your neck, and then there’s this whole thing that allows you to operate and move around, carrying around your head and brain inside your skull, which is really collecting all the data. It’s like a Range Rover. It’s like this machine. Really, it’s all the equipment to keep your brain operating in this terrain, this Martian world, if you will, to survive. It needs the pumping of oxygen down below. It needs it to filter liquids. It needs it to—just so it can continue collecting data. When you leave, there’s an organizational level that takes on a different life form. It’s energy and it’s transforming again. That transformation, just like from a pea, you developed in this six-foot person, let’s say. You started off building a body that became more complex from within the womb from its inception. There’s another inception level that’s happening inside of you as you reflect and meditate and learn this knowledge. It helps organize so that you can begin to build a structure to leave it. The intelligence of processing is condensing how the data is built and strung from memories, ideas, thoughts, very similar to the way that it is in your brain. It contains it. It forces that information to stay a certain way and it processes it much in the way that your brain or your consciousness would, just faster, in a different way. [1:04:13] How? Why was this all set up? It goes along with, “Why is there something instead of nothing?” Is it designed—Do you believe the body was designed? Do you believe that this was laid out, that everything you know and everything about the consciousness, and everything, that there was a level on top of that who put it all together? That, when you die, and this whole balance of electricity and we hold it in this form and— The bigger, bigger, bigger picture maybe we can’t wrap our mind around it with this brain?

Eric: No, we can. I teach all of it. Look, to me, this is all of what I teach. This is what I’ve spent my life building and compiling for knowledge for people. This is what I do at Higher Balance. This is why we have all the books. These are all things I’ve taught. In a nutshell, I think we live in a holographic universe. In my mind, there’s no doubt about it. Science is definitely going in that direction. They’re already saying that they’re believing this and it’s hard to wrap your mind around. At the end of the day, is there a creator? I would say to you, “If you are an aware intelligence, and you are made of billions of living organisms, point to yourself, where you are.” Point to you. Can you do that right now?

Guest: ​You can’t.

Eric:​ That’s right. None of it is really you. It’s all living cells and organisms all independent, collectively working together, which we call alisoné, “all is one.” On that level, your consciousness, even your brain, is living cells that aren’t necessarily you but they’re working with you. They’re coexisting. You’re not necessarily aware of what’s going on, but some deeper part of your brain is. It’s just like the car has a computer chip in it. Even though you’re operating it, you’re making the big decisions, it’s making all the small decisions. That’s what you’re doing. The planet is like us. We are the microscopic life: birds, plants, trees, living anything. It’s contributing to it as an organism, and there’s this level of energy, consciousness. So is the solar system another organism, and within it are the same levels. If you look at a galaxy spiral [and] you look at a hurricane spiral [and] you look at a seashell spiral [and] you look at water cycling down a sink, there is computer programming in reality. You’re going to find that there are similarities across the board and only so many variations of it. It’s just how big or how small. It’s like taking one of these stretch balls and making it big from science, and then bringing it down and it becomes a smaller ball. The consciousness of the body of the universe is the expanding universe. At the end of the expanding universe is pitch black. There’s nothing. If you have a big bang, it’s like there’s a big balloon swelling in the air, it’s just that it’s night. It’s dark, everything inside of it is stars, which is its neural system, which is sending radiation, sending data to the planets. You’ve got planets and we already know that everything is kind of alive, even if it’s a stone. Everything is in a process of change. Everything is in a process of movement. There’s this drive for life that keeps fighting to exist. It’s like the pavement that goes over the dirt. If we don’t maintain it, the plants start cracking through it. There’s something in all of us that says we have to live and not give up our life. There’s a program that says you have a purpose. It is conscious, it’s just not like a human. We want to look at everything in a human way, but it’s simply not. It has a soul, much like you have a soul for all your cells. We know as a fact, through study, that if you get depressed, your immune system drops. That means all the microorganisms in your life are somehow affected. If you are positive and happy, your immune system rises. You are the Force. Your consciousness, your soul, your energy is like Luke Skywalker and the Force to [this microuniverse]. In essence, there is presence in its energy that affects us. The difference is we can choose to turn to it or we can choose to not turn to it and turn to a more destructive energy. In essence, is there a god? Absolutely yes.

Guest: Here comes the question of, “What created that?” [1:08:52]

Eric:​ Alright, well, if you read my book “The Handbook of the Navigator,” not give a plug, I give all these answers. This goes down to the universe being absolute nothingness. No stones, no rocks, no nothing, no complex electricities, nothing. There is one thing. There is a static charge of energy. I go into all of this, and I go into it later on with other lectures that I do, much more scientifically. I use various experiences and data from very acknowledged—I put it in a different perspective. It’s hard to imagine, but imagine it like static on a TV, just that it’s even finer than that. It’s so fine it’s like smaller than molecules. I always say it looks like, jokingly, if I had to explain what it looks like, it looks like chocolate chips in mint ice cream. Then, somebody said to me, “For five years or ten years, I thought you were making it like a baby Hershey kiss. I just realized it’s the flat pieces that you’re talking about that are kind of broken. It’s like these little chips.” I’m like, “Yeah, they look like little tiny flat chips and they look like they’re, to me, a red color. It’s static, billions of them. That was all that existed and they came from a vacuum, which has nothing in it. That creates a stress, and the result of that creation is this static energy. In that static energy, there is no time, so a hundred trillion, billion years may as well just be a second or that long. It doesn’t matter. They’re kind of vibrating, and there’s this level of keeping a distance, like you have with molecules and protons and stuff like this. It’s electricity. It’s like static electricity. There’s a push and there’s a such. At some point, I believe two of these attached to one another, making a T. This T started to move in a different direction because their energies started to either work against each other, but there was nowhere to go, or vice versa. Either way, it created. That’s the first inception. It’s like in a woman’s stomach when the egg gets the sperm, there’s this reaction. It starts to unfold because everything in this universe is numbers. Everything, in reality is numbers. This pattern, which I call “three,” which I call a true number to the universe. It’s like a computer code. 379, to me, are like the three correct numbers. That’s for something in the future. People, constantly, are trying to [reinterpret] it. Spiritually, we just know in the back of our head that there’s some meaning to it. Every White Cell I meet is drawn to those numbers. It’s like it’s burned into our heads for some reason. They’re numbers that we’re attracted to. Three is the first one that happened. You could say there’s one electron, another electron—if we call them electrons—[which came] together and created a result, which was the third. The third was a new reaction in nothingness. It was the first inception. This is like a snowball being rolled down a big hill. It started to attract or attach [another kind] of vibrating, shimmering kind of energy, this vacuum type from the universe. This is the first complex, so it started to move in a way that was different than the rest, and if there was a sound, it would kind of be like (imitating varying beat). It’s starting to move. Instead of (imitating steady humming), it’s creating now, it’s attaching, because there’s no time. It could be a billion years that it was evolving. Electricity doesn’t stop. It became more of a complex of hundreds and then thousands and then millions and trillions and quadrillions all attaching, creating different patterns. Eventually, like math, it’s trying to organize itself. Everything is fighting for organization. That’s numbers. That’s the universe. That’s electricity. In that process, somewhere along the line, it created the first life, the first level of existence of something other than static. This, now, gets into the whole idea that we have to try to [interpret] this in human terminology, just like we had to simplify the gods, or before that, animals and creatures having spiritual powers because we have to put something we can relate to, to it. As we get more intelligent, we can get more complex on our approach. What I’m saying to you is that this is God being created, within the womb of nothingness, the Universe, beyond the universe. At some point, as it’s becoming more organized, there’s a level of what we call self-reflection. It’s aware of itself. It’s able now, to attain a level, or not, of self-consciousness, self-awareness. It doesn’t mean that it’s like a human. It could be like an animal. It could be like a simplified level, but an animal dreams. Most creatures dream. It doesn’t matter what their intelligence is, something is driving them to create formulations. This is evolution. This is organization of numbers [that are] constantly compounding and compressing to become more complex throughout the universe. So, as it became more complex, it began to dream. We are that dream. We are that thing, that reality. That’s the holographic universe, if you will. Think about it. If you are in your dream and you meet your mother and you’re talking, I mean, you can probably smell her hair. You can probably touch her skin. You can talk to her, she can laugh. It’s like her, there’s no question in your mind! You can look at a house that was from some time in your life and touch the wood and the paint and you could smell it. The extent of what you can dream is actually more extensive than what you can do in real reality, for detail, for texture, for everything. Yet, I say to you, are you talking to your mother, which you’re absolutely convinced of? Or is that just a dynamic of your own consciousness that created her?

Guest: ​You wouldn’t know unless you have the outside reference to go against or try to start to wake up from it.

Eric:​ Yeah, but this goes to saying: It’s a dream within a dream within a dream. When you’re in the dream, you don’t realize you’re in the dream unless you’ve trained yourself, which I do. At the end of the day, you create all of these personas and people and structures and everything that you have. It’s flipping real. You can feel the heat of the sun on you. You only remember, when you come out of a dream probably less than 3% of what occurred, and then that fades very rapidly for another reason, but we’ll get into that in time. In essence, I believe reality is God that created it, and we’re variations of complex numerical patterns that are choosing to become more complex. That is the will of the universe. Not only that but like anything that’s intelligent to some degree, it needs to be amused, It needs to also learn. There’s a drive to stimulate, react, have a relationship, whatever you want. That’s in human perspective, but at the end of the day, the core of it is going to remain the same. Everything throughout the universe, not just what’s happening on our planet, are all experiential. It’s learning. It’s like a hierarchy for computer systems for databases. What we learn, 85%—and these are flexible numbers— but 85% versus the 15% [are] contributing to the consciousness of the planet. When the planet basically ceases to exist anymore, like us dying, it returns back to the universe, if you will. This is the data that’s being surrendered to the galaxy, [then] the galaxy to the universe. It’s just that we can’t perceive that level of time because we’re so microscopic compared to the universe. The truth is, it’s just a blink of an eye. It’s no different than the cells of your body dying to contribute their existence to serving you.

Guest: That’s a lot to take in.

Eric: Yeah, it is. So, we’ll call it a wrap.

Guest: ​I appreciate it. I really appreciate you talking to me about it.

Eric: ​Well, there’s lots more. That’s not even 1%.

Guest:​ That’s a lot to think about. What book would you recommend I start with? [1:17:51]

Eric: Handbook of the Navigator. It’s going to answer all the fundamental questions to the creation of the universe, to your purpose, your existence. Why, why, why? It’s the one thing I wanted to try to answer as [simply] as I could in the most basic level of communicating it, how we’re all interconnected, making sense of the fundamental elements of what you need to begin this approach. Once you read that—and you’ll go through it probably very easily, most White Cells just eat it up in a matter of an hour or two. They read the whole thing. It’s going to answer all of the fundamental questions you have. It only opens up even bigger, broader, more. We can give all those answers. We can give training. I can show you how to dial in and see things. I can show you how to move your consciousness in crazy ways.

Guest: I’m so invested. It’s nice having that as a resource to—Now I know the next step in my path of kind of understanding.

Eric: ​It’s going to bring this better together for you. I think it’s a very easy-read book. I try to write books on an eighth-grade level so that anybody who reads it, if they’re foreigners, if they’re whatever. White Cells are across the board, every shape, color, everything. I wanted to get the core knowledge across in a very simple way and any level of intelligence then, can look at it, and it just expands in your mind because you can connect it to all these other thoughts. It’s like you think, “Oh my god! I’ve always known this!” No, I organized it in a way. You knew it, but I helped you put it together.

Guest:Right, so that’s where I need to start and I know you said, “put it together for myself.” I have so many scattered thoughts about all of this stuff, and now trying to focus them down is—It’s going to bring me a lot closer now than I’ve been for even the past ten years of trying to struggle with it.

Eric: Thank you for that. I’m always in a position where I have people who judge me and they’re like, “Oh, he’s too egotistic. He’s this or that.” My answer to that is that I really don’t care what they think. It really comes down to if you read what I have to say, you can’t deny the knowledge. Show me something that trumps it. There’s nothing. People will say it does, so I always say, “Let’s hear it out, let’s break it down.” They’ve got nothing. It’s just them wanting to say they have something. At the end of the day, I would jump on something better if it were there. These are the best teachings on the planet, as far as I’m concerned. Call me arrogant, call me whatever you want. I’m a practical, logical person, I don’t have ego. I will look at it. If you want to know what I’ve studied, go ahead. Try me on. I’ve read the Kabbalah. I’ve read the Mahabharata. I’ve looked at everything to a significant degree, and there’s a lot of truths in all of those things. What it comes down to is [cutting] all the rubbish out. Let’s cut all the BS out, let’s get to the core. I just want the truth.

Guest:​ They’re all kind of saying the same thing in a different fashion, but it’s not 100% truth. [81:02]

Eric:​ No, because people are too smart. They need somebody to bring the logic. It’s a new generation of spiritual people. You want logic. You want sensible answers. You want stuff that you, personally, can experience. They don’t want to hear about all the miracles that I’ve done, and I’ve done my share in front of people. If I can show you how to do what I did, that is the breakthrough. That experience isn’t about power. It’s not about “wow,” or what I call “bling.” It’s the revelation that the person has because that one moment that you achieve it, you just read a thousand books. It’s going to revolutionize your thinking, your understanding of things. It’s like a million thoughts all occurring in your mind that it’s just mentally explosively incredible. You have to start somewhere and it starts off by reading the Handbook of the Navigator. Then you’re going to yell at me and say, “Well, I’m so sucked in but it doesn’t go in there to say how to use your meditation techniques.” It’s very unique. We use the neural system of the body to stimulate the electricity to run a certain way, like holding antennas to a TV. It arcs it and it comes in, so if you don’t know how to do it correctly, this is why you don’t—I’ve taught people who have done twenty years, all sorts of masters of everything. I show them, I tweak out their stuff for about ten minutes and they come back like, “Oh my god! This is amazing! It’s incredible. I’ve never had so many experiences. This has changed my whole life.” I can’t say I’m the only one who has it right but I can certainly say that I’ve got it right. The proof is in the pudding. It’s one thing to teach you stuff and rock your world, which I will do. It’s another to show you how to do things that rock your world, because I believe it’s part of an education. When people say I’m arrogant, I say, “Whatever. I’m confident. There’s a difference.”

Guest:That’s what it comes down to. It’s a lot to process. [82:56]

Eric: ​Yeah, so we’ll call it a wrap for today.