Episode 12 – Third State of Consciousness

Third State of Consciousness

How Spiritual Masters Are Changing Reality

In this episode, Eric Pepin covers a wide variety of topics including meditation, self-reflection and how to reach the third state of consciousness where you are able to change reality.

This episode is a clip from one of our free events that took place in San Francisco, CA in March of 2016. Enjoy!

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In this show we cover: 

  • How to use meditation to reboot your brain, release tensions, and remove blocks [1:30]
  • “Is this all that I am?” – The path to finding your highest self [7:00]
  • Observing yourself in the second and third person [16:00]
  • Overcoming the fear of death [27:30]
  • An analysis of muscle testing and hypnosis [30:50]
  • The third state of consciousness you must enter to successfully manifest and affect reality [35:10]
  • The identities you create for yourself and how they affect your reality [44:50]



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Eric: Karate and martial arts have repetition muscle memory. This is why they’re like “Huh! Huh! Huh!” and you’re like “What the—How many times are they going to go ‘Huh!’” The person comes through and they’re like, “Ahh, it’s a mugger,” and they go “Huh,” their muscle did it before they even thought about it. They bonged them in the head or it did what it was made to do. This is muscle memory so you almost don’t even have time to think about it. The muscle doesn’t need you to say, “This is what I want to do or this is what I—” There’s no need for contemplation. You’ve trained all the muscles to do what they need to do.


Here’s the bitch about it: so have you trained your muscles on all the negative stuff. It’s in there. Muscle memory is liquid. It’s cellular structure. It holds data, information, extraction, contraction. All the makings for it are there. When you meditate, it’s about peeling and releasing, peeling and releasing, peeling and releasing.


I just did a class on Serune. It was very, very, very, very deep. Some of the people who did it just a few weeks ago, somebody came to me and said, “I still feel like I’m in that fog.” I was like, “It’ll pass.” The reason is that we went so deep shutting down all of the muscles that your brain, the neural system begins to shut down stuff too. I always say, “It’s the weak, grey matter. You want to scrape it off. It’s not good fiber, neural system anymore. It’s hanging in there.”


This is what gives people what I consider dementia in time or it contributes to a number of things. When you shut it down and there are no neurons firing in the core of it, it’s almost like body knows it can waste it like, “Alright, let’s move it out.” For decades, for the longest time, they thought the brain could rebuild itself, that that’s the part that doesn’t grow. We know as a fact that it does now. By dumping all of this, the closest thing you can do is just release all these muscles. I keep pushing people to into their brain and you’re just peeling layers and layers. You’re just sitting there and you’re just—I always joke because I will drool when I do it. I’m so checked out I’m just like (imitating zombie).” Inside, you’re so free. It’s so liberating. In your head, your brain, you begin to feel it. Shut it down, all the power (imitating electronic noises).

It’s like a computer. Whenever you get a computer and it’s pretty classic. It starts to act up, whatever. What do you do? You shut the damn power down. You reboot it and you hope that the programming will refresh itself and throw out whatever useless that somehow is junking things up. 50/50, it’s a crapshoot whether it works or not. If you get a virus—I remember in the old days if you got a virus on your computer, you could remove it and it would whittle its way into the memory chip in there. If you shut the power off and you turn it back on again, it never drained the power from the memory so it weaves itself back in. It’s like you never went deep enough. You shut the power off and you’ve got to wait for the electricity, the energy in the memory to also drain. When that’s done, there’s nowhere for the fish to swim anymore in the energy, so it dies.

That’s what you want. Die. Then, you turn it back on and all the remaining neural system that kind of knows it’s job is able to go up. You’ve removed the obstructions. You’ve flushed them out. Nobody hardly ever does that. The only people who are doing that are deep meditators. They’re the ones who are just like, “We don’t care about your bullshit. We don’t care about your car payment. We don’t need any of it.” They’re detached, hence “detachment.” This is where the spiritual word comes from, detachment. You can do this too and have your cake. It’s just a matter of choice and whether you’re going to sit down and do it. We want convenience. We don’t want to do that. Even meditation is fricking work. Everybody knows that here. When you do it, you’re like, “Why don’t I do this more often? Why? I love this. This feels so good.” Then, you slip into life and you forget.


I forgot what the hell we’re talking about anymore. When you shut down the brain, I say to people, “Look, there’s going to be three days to two weeks, depending on how much you shut down, where you’re going to feel almost lethargic in your head.” It’s kind of like this (imitates deep, mild groaning). You’re a little scared like, “Boy, I better get my woods back here. This is like being drunk without drunk. There isn’t any fun in it.” What happens is that you’re building new neurons to fill that place. When the new ones come in, they come in with a lot of sensitive fiber. All of a sudden, this spark comes back and your sense of smell seems a little sharper. Your sense of hearing is—It’s like your thoughts are processing better because you’ve told your body, “Dump the old shit! It’s worn out! Rebuild it!” You’re directly dealing with it by mentally going in there and kind of making yourself fire it up. When’s the last time that you guys ever thought about your brain? Here, you want me to mess with you? I’ll mess with you. You want me to mess with you. I know you do.

Think about this: Imagine you are your brain. Everybody here knows what the brain looks like now. We’ve all got internet and TV. You’re really this globular green-black slimy thing. It looks like a slug. That’s more you than this entire body. This body may as well be the shell of a snail. Do you understand? You are this alien in here with little pulleys and brake pedals and it’s got these two windows it’s looking out. It’s like, “Okay, let’s walk,” (imitates machine noises).

You’ve been doing it for so long that you’re convinced this whole thing is you. Really, it’s wired into this little brain body and it’s like, “Okay, when the hand gets hit, we’re going to zap you on your little hand,” and you’re like, “Damn, that sucks! Don’t move that big hand over there!” Really, you’re sitting in there and this is a big mechanism to explore, smell, taste because you need it to do that like you need a radio to get radio signals. You need a cell phone to get cell phone. You need a TV to get TV. Otherwise, it doesn’t exist for you There’s no way for you to capture that data. To capture the data of this dimension, you need the machinery designed to pull the information and exchange it.


When you get down to it, you’re in here. Everything else is designed to be this ATV through life and because you believe it’s you, you now are allowing or manifesting stuff that you should just dump out. You have the power to control a lot of what its experiences are but because you think it’s you, you don’t have a way of getting out and kind of buffing out the problems. When one begins to think about you just sitting in this skull, there’s something that begins to happen. The more you think about it, the more it becomes real. The more it becomes real, the more you begin to separate your body.


The first intelligence in the universe to attain a soul did it. How did it come about? Through self-reflection. It looked at whatever its hand was. It opened and closed. It looked at the other one. It opened and closed. It said, “Is this all the hell I am?” It started asking, “What is this made out of? Pinch it. Feel it. Cut it. Ow! Is it really me?” It looked at expansion and retraction like little rubber bands pulling and releasing, making the whole sticks inside that have clay around it to make the flesh. It started to say, “Well, this is a mechanism that I’m relating to but it’s not necessarily me.” The moment it started to do that, it’s called self-reflection, another spiritual word.


You’re really searching for the identity by which is the source from which you are in. When people talk about God, another word for God is “the source.” I say that everything is macro-micro. It’s true to say that we’re creating in God’s image. There’s a truth in that but he isn’t a man. He doesn’t fart. He doesn’t have to do his hair or shit, none of that crap. He’s not even like a human. The point is, it’s the source. We’re always looking for the source. You want to find the source, go to your source. Identify it. If you can identify your source, you can go from that source and identify the bigger source because they’re one in the same. It’s like a string of pearls.


By reflecting on your body, if you think about your legs, your butt sitting in the chair, the weight, stuff that we just take for granted, the clothing that you’re wearing, the hair from your head, the weight of it as it sags down, which I don’t have, your chin, the flesh, you begin to think. This is a form of meditation. There is a whole school of thinking on this. The more that you think about it, each time you begin to think about it, you realize, “Well, this isn’t really me,” but people say, “This is me.” I’ll be like, “This is you?” and they’re like, “Yeah, okay.”

Let’s pretend we just cut your arm off. I pick it up. I drop it on the table. You don’t feel anything. It’s just, “Yeah, it’s fine. Just ignore it.” Is it your arm still? Not really anymore. What happened to change that relationship? You removed it from the source. Source by proximity is how we envision. In a sense, in your mind, you’ve got to take all the parts out and put them on the table because anything you imagine, the brain doesn’t distinguish between reality and imagination so much. You know but it will work with you. Exploit it.

You’ve got to take your leg and put it on the table. Take that thigh and go—a damn jiggly thigh too—boom. Put it down. You start dismantling. This is a form of meditation. You’re thinking about all your parts and you’re identifying and you’re saying, “This isn’t really me. It’s important and I need this to function.” If you went to Mars and you didn’t have your spacesuit, you’re in a lot of trouble. Yes? Are you going to take care of that spacesuit or are you going to take it off like certain people I know and kick their shoes across the room and throw their clothes everywhere and let the dog sit and lay in it and dig a hole, spin, lay down in it? They’re all like, “Oh, this is fine.” That’s why there are holes in it now!


You’re going to take care of it. We know we better take care of our bodies to a certain degree. Some of us know better than others but we all try to a level. At the end of the day, by dismantling mentally, all of these parts: click your cheekbone off, take your nose off, pop your eyeballs out. Put them on the table because as soon as you put it there versus here, your brain is all of a sudden searching where to tuck itself into. Are you following me?

You’re doing all of this mentally until eventually, there’s nothing left. You take the whole skull off like it’s a helmet and you’ve got this globular thing and you’re like, “Oh boy, if I touch that I wonder if there’s going to be some little like (imitates repetitive cracking noise), like a film going off in you.” You want to do all these things and then you come to the brain. You’re going to go to the brain and you’ve got the little stem back here from cortex. You remove this and you’re like, “Okay.” Then you’re going to go to the brain and you just wiggle it a little bit so it unlatches just right, click click. Then you take it apart and there’s this inner layer in there. In there, there’s some part of you going, “Oh my god! It’s coming for me,” and it’s you coming for you.


It’s perspective and your body will begin to react. You’ll start to feel old sweats or tinglies. You’ll feel sweaty but you’re not sweaty. Your body is saying, “What the hell is going on?” You’re really saying, “I want to get to whole I am. I want to get to the source.” You’re constantly trying to feel for “Where am I? I know I’m in this vicinity.” Really, let’s get down the core of it. You’re removing and now you get down to this next layer and you crack it open, there’s the pineal gland. You’re like, “Okay, boom,” and you’re like, “Oh whoa! I just felt myself. That’s where. I must be in the part I just tossed.” No, you’re still going in there and you go more and more layers until eventually you get down to this little squiggly part. It’s kind of disgusting in a way and you go, “Well,” and you chuck it.

There is a presence still there and it’s a consciousness. Nothing of what you had was you. The only thing is that you’re like, “I can’t really smell anything. I can’t hear anything anymore. I can’t see anything anymore. I can’t taste anything anymore, but I exist, therefore I am. I am what I am. I either choose to drift like a silk from a spider releasing its thread through the sunlight across a field, and I let the universe take me wherever I want, it wants. Or, I can begin putting the parts back down, hopefully, I remember how to put them back together because that’s how I got into this situation.” You put it back together and you relate to yourself in your imagination. “Okay, my sense of smell is slowly coming back, my sense of awareness. My sense of touch is coming back.” You’re really telling your body, “Look, I don’t want to harm you. I love you. I need you. I depend on you. You’re the most important thing to me. Trust me.” It’s more important than your own child. You know that you must have life. This is preservation, the will of the universe.


Once you’ve done that, now you are able to attain higher states of consciousness by de facto. De facto meaning that you have a relationship that you can comprehend and understand that when you say, “I’m meditating. I want to let go of all of this,” the body says, “Oh, okay.” It’s like taking this off and putting it to the side. It’s okay and when you want it, you put it back on so you can deal with the rest of the world. If you can have that escape, then it’s like saying you could take this off, wring out all the negative stuff or isolate it. It’s a part. If it’s a part, it can be fixed. If you look at it not as a part, that’s where they brain get complicated because it says it can’t fix it or this is the way it should be or you’re harming yourself or you’re doing these things. It doesn’t know necessarily right from wrong. Am I just babbling now or what?


Spiritually, this is the zero to one-hundred knowledge. They spent thirty years trying to understand that. We did it in thirty minutes maybe or you know me, probably two hours. When you’re meditating, one would call it “surrendering,” but surrendering is about letting go of what you identify that you are. Think about it. When you think about your body in this way, imagine now that you’re in an argument with somebody.


You step back and you think about who’s arguing with you. My body is. My body is hyperventilating. It’s me all getting upset. I’m tensing up. I’m twitching. I’m going to stab them. There’s another part of what I taught you which is the second person. All of a sudden, you’re observing yourself and it’s almost comical. Another scenario I always give to students in early teachings is: Look, bullshit is bullshit. You have to really be the adult in your own consciousness. This is where you start to advance really quickly.


You have an argument with whoever (imitates wordless bickering). “I can’t believe he said that!” (imitates more wordless bickering). You are accelerating because they’re not backing down. You’re not going to back down. Hell no, I’m not backing down. So, you’re like (stomping feet). Well, before you did storming around, you said, “I’m going to stomp around.” Don’t tell me you didn’t! You’re arguing and you’re thinking, “How can I get my point across better?” You’re like, “Huh!” This is posture! It’s what gorillas do! (imitates chest beating and gorilla howling) It’s not different but we’re thinking about it before you realize you thought about it. You can catch yourself! “I’m going to stomp around. That will really show him how serious I am. You can do whatever you want George!” (imitates stomping feet) “Fine,” (imitates slamming door) he says, slamming the thing.


I’m thinking, “I just spotted this. This is even better. Not even good. Whatever, George!” It’s to posture. It’s to make sound and a drama and this is “ahh!” This is animalistic! If you catch yourself like you’re catching your chest center you can see that your brain is making decisions with the same part that’s shouting out everything and you’re like, “I told it to shut the hell up!” It’s actually doing the posturing and you can watch it do that. I sit there and I’m always like, “Give me some popcorn! This is awesome, oh my god! Oh, I didn’t!”


This is watching in the second state of your awareness. You will look at door and you’re like, “I’m going to slam that door by the time we’re done. I’m just going to keep working at it.” (imitates bickering) I’m working my way, but I’m acting like I’m doing other shit like I’m ignoring you, but I’m not ignoring you. I’m ignoring you to tell you I don’t care about you. That’s going to upset you even more because I’m not confronting you. Eventually, you get to that door and you’re going to slam that door. It was premeditated! How is that original? How is that truth? How is that—Do you get what I’m saying? What’s the point of it? If it was a hundred percent natural, then okay, fine. That was a spectacular performance.


When you really learn to look at yourself from the second person and see yourself going through this, there’s a part of you that goes, “Stop. That’s not who I want to be. That’s not who I am and I don’t want to be part of this action.” I like to say that I always go by those rules, but you know…I have to be human so I can be down here with you guys, so I have to do it. That’s my excuse. Just because you’re aware of it doesn’t help. There’s always that check-in moment. This is why I always say, “If you’ve got something spiritual or something in your house, hopefully, you spot that and it tells you, ‘Hey, silly, remember Pepin sitting there slamming that thing? Didn’t you just rip him off and do the same thing?’” You start to look at yourself like an adult within an adult, or a sensible self. That self is not attached to the chemistry and neurons in the body and the pumping of all these chemicals. You have to burn it off. You have to get angry and that’s what you’re really doing.


Your body has these chemicals that are for fear, for adrenaline and if you don’t burn it off, you start to go nutty. You’ve gotta run. If you have nowhere to run and you’re in a house, you’re going to hit the wall so you’ve got to start slamming things. It’s exercising the body to burn that chemical off. You’re a machine. That’s the reality of it. It’s really scary in a way. By having that second person, if you allow that person to be more and more controlled, this is where the person is always calm and zen. That’s why I have Rishabh, because I go “Blah,” and he goes with his head. “Oh, yeah, I deserve that, don’t I?” I need calm people around me.

When you self-analyze, self-awareness, just by thinking about it. It doesn’t mean you always have to do it but just thinking about it from time to time disassembles all the parts that you didn’t like about yourself. It gives you a way to see yourself and the second you realize you can see yourself in the second person observing yourself, there’s still yet a third place. There’s the part of you that’s observing you observing yourself.

I always think of it as I’m this little cherub with wings. My butt’s kind of sitting there and I’m all smiling and I’ve got my little wings flapping and I’m looking at myself, this glorious me, going “Hahaha, you’re so pathetic.” I see me going through all this biological “rah rah rah.” There’s always three stages and the idea is that if you can be in the third stage, that’s the best one to be in. No, we’re not really cherubs, but anyway. The point is that if you can get to the third stage, that’s impressive. Don’t worry about the third. The second’s a plenty good start. If that’s all you achieve in your life, that’s a hell of an achievement because I would say most of the people in this entire building, other than in this room, never think of themselves as a second person or have self-observation. It hasn’t even occurred to them as an idea. They are machines. They function. They do, and we too, are machines. We, too, go into the machine and we, too, go into the machine and we, too, fall asleep and we, too, automate our lives. It’s only when something happens that’s unique or different that we have to stop and our mental faculties have to focus in self-awareness to learn whatever’s going on that’s unusual.

In a car accident or something happening, you’ll find that your senses start to pique. Other than that, in the mundaneness of life, we just automate through. I would say 90% of your life, you’re not even living because you’re not—and again, here’s another spiritual word—“in the now.” Are you in the now? Are you aware you’re sitting in the chair? Are you aware you’re in this room? Reflect on that for a moment. Take peace in that. Take peace in the fact, “Here I am. I’m in this room. I’m with Eric. I’m with these other people. We’re all here. This is a unique opportunity. This is a unique thing. It’s a gathering.”


This is awareness or in the now. It’s “What are you doing in this very moment? How are you breathing? How do you feel? What are you looking at? What are your thoughts? Are you feeling like you’re getting something out of this? Are you elated? Are you depressed? Are you like, ‘Is he ever going to shut up?’” That’s thinking in the now. Most of the time, people are just doing, You’re driving your car. You’re thinking about whether you should stop and pick up something at the store. You’re driving and you don’t even remember where you drove in between the two places. You just got there and the whole time you were in your head rehearsing whatever. Me, I’m usually yelling at people in there so when I actually yell at them, I’ve actually got it down. I’m joking. Everybody does this.

It’s “Can you catch yourself doing that? Can you say to yourself, “Oh my god, look at what I’m doing to myself?” That’s being in the now that you can be aware of yourself in the second person because you’re saying, “Body, what are you doing? Why are you fighting all this? Don’t make it such a big issue. It’s not. It’ll be over by tomorrow.” It wants to rehearse it. It wants to go through it so you’re really making yourself tense because, in your head, it still thinks it’s real. Even if it’s on a small degree, it’s still toxic. The second person, to catch yourself and say, “I’m babbling,” don’t be mad at yourself when you’re meditating and you’re babbling. You just say, “Thank you for being smart enough to catch me babbling! God dang, you caught me again, didn’t you? Wow!” It doesn’t matter. That’s self-awareness. That’s how it begins. Any questions?


Guest 1: Thanks. Can you give an example of you looking at yourself in the third person? You just gave an example of you looking at yourself in the second person.


Eric: Yup. Third person is really hard. Third person is your causal. Third person is like the truest, true you. The second person’s like “I feel really spiritual. I’m aware of things. I’m in the now,” and you feel good. It’s a good place. It’s a wonderful place. It’s that level of—You’re really like the adult to the child in you that you go, “This is bad behavior. You know better.” You realize you’re saying this to you. The third person state, or the third state because it’s not really a person, comes in and the second state person feels really retarded to that one. To define that, you’re moving to a level where it becomes much harder to move in your head to understand it.


Your mind wants to fabricate a human persona or what we call in this day and age—What do you call when you make a character on a computer?


Audience members: Avatar.


Eric: An avatar. It’s a great word that we can relate to now. We have a built up knowledge to say that this is a model of this idea. You want to create an avatar just like the second person, all of you guys are seeing it as something like you but it’s a better you…but it’s you. Do you know what I’m saying? Immediately, you just do this.


The third one, you’re trying to create an avatar and the fact that if you do create an idea of what that looks like, you’ve already failed because you’re really then in the second or first state telling yourself you’re in the third state. It’s a B-I-T-C-H. This is where you want for nothing. This is where you detach from everything. This is where you let go of everything. This is where all of your work comes to a pinnacle moment and it’s “therefore, I am.”


To say to you, “Let me give you a model of what that is, there’s no model of it because it’s really oneness with the universe.” You finally are identifying without identifying that you are simply a cell on the arm of God. You’ve finally attained completeness. Completeness wasn’t about you going out and finding a part. It was going into yourself and becoming the part. Somebody write that down. In essence, I would say, “Don’t look for it because everything that you’re using to look for it is exactly the wrong tools for the job.” By not having any tools, by wanting for nothing—This is the thing. When I say to people, “Want for nothing, gain everything,” a lot of people sit there and say, “What the hell is he saying? Are we paid for that? Did we really pay for that?” Really, if you think about it.

By wanting for nothing, it’s the simplest thing that I can say to prevent you from using your brain, your ideas and values of a human being, the things that you’ve learned in your human life, everything that you use to function that you would use for a tool in there is really only applicable here. Why would you use it in there? The second that you do, you’ve set rules of limitations because it’s so beyond all that, it’s like saying, “No, you have to go by these rules. This is what I’m going to use to knock you in the head.” “Really, where’s my headache? Do it! Do it! Do it! C’mon.” You’re like, “Somewhere!”


The thing is to empty your mind, empty your consciousness. This is what they refer to as going through a death. If you’re not afraid to let go of your life, if you’re afraid to let go of your life, then you really can’t find yourself, the real you because when one thinks about taking all these parts—and this is, again, a unique way for me to present it differently to you. The old school way would be, “Just let yourself die. Believe you’re dying. Do some heavy-duty thing of ayahuasca and don’t worry. The insects will eat you. It’s okay.”


By dying, you don’t really die. You live. It’s really living more than you’ve ever lived in your entire life because if you think about it, what’s dying? Everything that’s flesh, everything that’s a concept. In the second person, you are what’s left. When you’re in this state of detachment, this spiritual state because it’s very much a spiritual state, that’s when you self-acknowledge that you’re there, when you know you’re there. That’s when the third state comes in. It’s the part of you that sees that you’ve done very well. It’s the part of you that says to you what we always want to hear from our mentors or our parents, “I’m so very proud of you. You are so beautiful, so wonderful, so perfect. I could not be happier than I am now.”


You know it’s truth. There’s something that we are looking for that’s from God the same way we organically, in the first state, look for our peers or our mentors or our parents. That third state you realize is you but it’s not you. It’s like it’s made from the fabric of God that’s coexisting with you. It’s like this hybrid portion of you. It’s the same thing, macro/micro, that your arm is you but it’s not you. It’s this part that you recognize is part of God but it’s also you. It’s like God acknowledging itself like we are one thing.


I think most people when they think of their higher self, they’re somewhere in between their organic self-operating and their second self. It’s kind of like this intermediate. I don’t think they’ve really done true self-awareness. A lot of people will have these self-help groups and stuff, “Empower your mind! Think positive! See yourself this way or that way!” I don’t think they’ve really torn it, torn it down. They’re still identifying with the organic self that that’s where your happiness is. This is why people go on forever in these self-help things. They just jump from one to the other because they never really get fixed. The only real fixing is to go in yourself and to dig deep and to have the discoveries of what you find there and finding a way to let it have its place in you.


Guest 2: You were talking about muscle testing and you said it was a bunch of… [30:34]


Eric: Well, yes and no. It depends.


Guest 2: Where is it valid, where is it invalid?


Eric: Alright, this is where I’m going to get myself in a lot of trouble. People hate it when I argue some of their beliefs. Look, with muscle testing, in blind-side studies and such like that, you can give somebody a chunk of wood and tell them it’s something that it’s not. As long as that thought believes that that’s what it is, then all of a sudden, it gets harder. If in their mind, they think it’s something other, then it gets soft. It’s really your mind. You think that by holding it, somehow you’re like a little analyst like energy is going to dictate what the substance is, whether you need it in your body.


Where my argument is that your mind knows. Your mind can do an assimilation. Do you understand? You don’t necessarily need to have that crystal or this thing? Even vitamins you take, unless it’s truly mineral based—Magnetic Pill—and works with enzymes in your stomach which are living organisms. You feed them, you don’t say, “Here’s the organ.” It doesn’t work that way. You give something that’s going to cultivate a certain organism in your body. What they poop is actually what gives us energy and minerals and stuff. Feed them the right stuff and they make an accelerated amount of something. That’s my approach on that. Most vitamins, we know, don’t have an effect. If it’s not from a living thing, where it’s electrons attached to its molecular structure that the body goes, “Oh, we know what it is. We can see it.” It’s like a little lamp in the dark. It goes, “Snack it!” If there’s no little light on it, it’s just like (imitates plopping noise). It’s just going to go through the processing plant. It’s going to get burnt and chewed by the acid and it’s going to be emulsified but it’s not going to recognize it as an electrical, living thing to transform into other parts.


Muscle testing, we get these things—it’s more psychological. You’re deciding but in truth, you might—When I say, “It’s true and not true,” it’s to say that you do know what you need the same way a mother who’s pregnant will have a need for certain foods like, “I’ve never wanted pickles my whole life. I hate them.” There are minerals in there that their body wants so this organism is saying, “This is what you’re going to desire,” because that communicates it.


Guest 2: I drank a jar of pickle juice because I tested strong one day, even though I didn’t want to.


Eric: There you go. What I’m saying is that if you put your hand out and you just imagine, it’s no different. You’re not feeling what’s in your hand, your body is telling you what’s in that hand. It’s really holographically recreating a symbol of whatever that is. Do you see what I’m saying? It may not be identical but it’s the essential structure. It’s searching through itself trying to figure out whether you need that resource or not because you’re finally listening to yourself instead of automating.


The muscle testing works in one way because it gives you a model to focus your mind on. What I’m saying is that I’m hardcore. Get rid of that shit. What are you going to do when you don’t have that shit to muscle test yourself? Go through your mind and just work through it. You’ll feel it in your chest. If you sit there and you just think “Tomatoes, do you want it or not?” “No, I hate tomatoes, but boy, I don’t know. I really want it when Eric says they were hot from the sun, it’s just so much better than the refrigerator.” Now, it made sense. It’s more living.


Your chest will know or your body will know because it communicates to that. To me, the muscles will react the same way. If you just think about it and imagine it in your hand, and then you say to you, “Okay, you have blah blah blah in your hand. We’re going to see if you need it.” They’re pressing as there and then you’re going to say, “You’re real strong with that. You’re real weak with this, real weak with this.” Imagine. There’s nothing in your hand, you just tell yourself what the analysis is. It’s all in your mind. It’s not that it’s not real but your mind can go through everything. It’s already analyzed everything, otherwise, you wouldn’t be able to identify it. Does that make sense?


Guest 3: I’ve been going along for a time now thinking that the Feels Like was provided by the third state, but it’s not, it’s the second. If that’s true, what part does the third state play in the 1-2-3 manifestation if it’s the part that wants for nothing? [34:54]


Eric: It clears the way for it to manifest. The only thing that can move something that is an obstruction is something that doesn’t believe there’s an obstruction and doesn’t acknowledge it as being an obstruction. We’re getting philosophical here. In other words, everything is an illusion. We are in the matrix but we’re like cars on the highway. There’s the 20 mph car. There’s the 40 mph car and there’s the 80 mph car. You’re driving in your 20 mph lane and the car goes (imitates whooshing noise) and the other car goes (imitates whooshing noise). You can’t relate to those, so you speed up your car. You’re matching 60 mph and you look at the other one. They’re driving right by your side and the lady’s picking her nose and she doesn’t know you’re looking. You can see. You can literally hand something through the window to them.

Now, these are all frequencies we’re all moving in the same state of thought, therefore we appear and feel solid. This is a way of looking at it, it doesn’t mean it’s exactly so. It’s a way to do it. In order to literally make the car change color, to make it move backward, to bend reality at its most extreme, you have to detach yourself absolutely from everything. In other words, you have to—Instead of saying, “Nothing exists,” it’s much harder to do that than to just go into yourself and just detach everything like we’ve been talking about.

You’re at the second and you’re sitting there and the second now has to dissolve itself in the end. It needs to just say, “Okay, you’re still a portion of me identifying in a human form.” You let that go. The third state, then, has nothing to work with because you’ve let go of everything. It’s just a void, nothingness. In that void-nothingness, what remains is your will. There’s a will that’s not human-driven. It’s not want or desire or whatever but you’ve put out one request, an intent that you need to solve something in the lower levels. It has the power to take that nothingness and create a canvas of what you want. When you start to canvas it or mold it from that state without attachment but the attachment is something else, it’s like gifting to yourself. It’s a great way of looking at it. You’re using your third calm state.

You don’t care about that. When you buy a gift for a five-year-old, you just want them to be happy. It’s not like you’re going to play with it or say, “You know what? I really don’t want you to have it. I want it.” You don’t grab it back. You’re moving from that place because it’s a necessity for that person. You’re gifting it to yourself as a manifestation. The nothingness becomes the canvas that you have to create that situation. You have to see yourself with joy or happiness or whatever it is you’re trying to manifest for yourself. You’re trying to implement that without attaching a sense of value to it. When you’re done, you move into your second self and that’s when you begin to start sensations. “Oh, we’ve got the lotto now. Oh, we’ve got the house. We’re happy with our relationship.” Things are transitioning now.

The problem is that when we try to manifest from our first or second state or we’re convinced in our first or second state that we are in the third state, as long as you see yourself as, in any way, shape, or form, a human body shape, anything, you’re really fooling yourself. You’re still in the second state. It’s the same thing, like the part of you that’s shouting out the words in your head and you’re like, “No, shut up!” It’s pretending and it’s so like you that you believe it’s you.


When you’re in the third state, it’s the only place that you have the power to change reality. It’s very hard to do. If it were simple, anybody could do it. If you’ve got a cube, it’s going to up your possibilities—don’t be shocked by this—by at least 20-30%. That may not seem like an awful lot but that’s massive. It’s about you surrendering and going through a process which is work. You can’t just slam it down and say, “This is the way it’s going to be.” It will work to a certain degree because, in the back of your head, you’re allowing it to do what you know it’s supposed to do which really is your third state again. You’re detaching with an intent like “set-it-and forget-it,” like the infomercial.


When you start to think about it too much like “Oh, I think it’s working,” you then start to seed it with ideas of how you think it should be working like, “Maybe it should be happening a little faster,” or “I didn’t see it coming this way. I would prefer it come that way.” You don’t realize because you’re not aware in the second state that you’re actually thinking that. You’re just in the “do” state, the “want” state, the “desire” state. When I say “set-it-and forget-it,” I say “Set it up and walk away.” In the back of your head, you know what you’ve done. You say, “I’m going to come back in three days,” or “I’m going to come back in a week.” Until then, I’m not going to complicate it. I’m just going to know I put it in this place and we’re just going to see how it unfurls. That’s going to be the most powerful objective for it to happen. If you want to make it more powerful than that then you have to go deep in yourself, let go, let go, let go, and from that place—which is hard to do because you don’t really care about anything here then—you then have to allow that part of you to gift you whatever it is that you’re trying to fix in your life or make in your life. It will begin to do that.

Guest 3: What is the experience of the “I” in the third state? [40:37]


Eric: There isn’t. There’s nothing organically that you can relate to it and that’s what drives people nuts. The fact that you’re trying to figure out what it would feel like is what keeps you here. That goes right back to “want for nothing.” You think you’re not wanting for anything but you want to know what that feels like. That can only feel, based on your experience, organic. You still think you are this, otherwise, you wouldn’t think that way. By wanting for nothing, you accept the fact that you’ve just given up everything. The fact is that if you exist in some way, shape, or form, there’s the second reality of “I think, therefore I am. I’m not flesh. I’m not this. I’m not that. Why do I even have to have a concern of what I am?”


What you are is you are part of the fabric of God. Now, how do you fathom that? Why waste your time? Isn’t it just awesome to know that that’s where you’re at? What happens then is, if you really must know, your mind enters what is the enlightenment cycle. In other words, you begin to have the ability—and you’re pushing my mind in there now. It’s not a bad thing. What happens is—It’s like Akashic Records. You want to know something and your mind just starts to fill with that information. You think about time. You think about a person and you want to know. It’s like flip cards. It just settles like magic. It’s like a deck of cards and a person can read that card number, but it’s you pulling it for the issue they’re having like it knows. You become like a cell on the arm of God. Every single aspect of your body is aware of every single other aspect of it. If you get an infection on your finger the whole body is alerted through a communication system.


Everything is interconnected, it’s just that you’re accepting your connectedness on a completely different level. While you’re organic, you don’t think of yourself as alisoné. You all say the word, “We’re all one, alisoné.” You think about it but you don’t really become it. If you did, you’d really understand the deepest meaning of that. Everything in your life would change. Me just thinking about it ten seconds ago, less than that, I don’t know if you guys felt a slight shift. It happened. That’s because it’s like, “Gong!” My mind went into alisoné and you guys felt me. That’s what you felt but if you’re not self-aware, it’s like you weren’t sure if you felt something or not. Now, you think, “Oh, he’s telling us we’re feeling things now.” This is being aware of your chest center and feeling these things.


When you move into the third state, you realize that you’re everything and everyone. When I was in “White Dragon,” I tried to explain this. When people say to me that they were reincarnated and they were this or that, I kind of roll my eyes. I’ve gotta be nice. The truth is, every single life that has ever existed is really part of you. When somebody says—and this is the funny part—that they were Mae West or King whatever, everybody here was. No more different than you have, more than likely, breathed in molecules from Buddha, Krishna, and Christ at some point in your life already. It’s part of you. We’re made of stars, all of the matter of our body.


It’s limited by the intellect that can comprehend what is. At the end, I say, “Don’t worry about whether you can comprehend it or not. Just shut it down.” By default, you realize. The third state is the state of the closest level to God consciousness that you can attain. Ultimately, it’s where you want to be. The truth is, I don’t exist there 24/7. It’s a place that I know where to go and it’s a place I go to, but I probably spend a fair amount of my time mostly in the second state, rarely in the third state, and too often in the first state. That’s truth. I don’t want to give this, “I’m holy all the time.” I think that these gurus who do that, I just want to smack them. They go, “You hit the guru,” and I’m like, “I’m allowed!”


You have to have a realistic idea, not an imitation of what you see as perfection because you’ll never attain it and you’ll feel like a failure. You’ve got to realize that I deal with issues. I get angry. I get mad. I’ve got the same biological crazy system like a woman going through menstruation. I have the male version. I’m like “(gibberish) What’s wrong?” I’ve got to check-in and this is when the second state is like, “Hey, dumbass, have you done the check-in yet?” I’m like, “Dammit, it caught me. I am so in trouble now.” Then, I have to do my ritual. I have to bring myself down. This is what it’s there for. It’s to pull you back in and say, “What do you want more?” “I want this more.” “Then earn it.” It sucks. It’s like having to take the trash out, dammit! You’ve gotta do it. I hate it but it’s true. God rigged us. It’s a big joke.


In essence, the third state is something that is incredibly elusive to understand from any organic perspective. It’s like saying a simulation, that is the biggest assimilation if you think about it. If I were to give you a tough one, I’d say, “Can you assimilate the carpet? You can assimilate the chair. You can assimilate all these things. Assimilate the sun and really take in the size of it.” If you put the Earth up against the sun, it looks like a little pea moving across, a little black pea. It makes me think of a thing—I don’t know if it’s been released yet or not, Thomas. You’ll know now when you see it. I actually did the sun with the Earth moving by. I say in there, “Hey dumbass, do you see that little black speck? You’re on it with six billion other fucking people all saying they want something. This is how important your shit is. You are the pea on the pea moving across the surface of the sun. The sun is so big, we can’t even see it. We just see the molting level of it.”


That is a very realistic perspective of what God thinks when you’re sitting there going, “Dammit, I told you! I thought you were going to hook me up!” You are on this pea moving across and that pea, the entire galaxy is another pea moving through. When you see that, you realize how insignificant. I often say when people say, “I feel like it doesn’t matter. I’m so insignificant.” Tell that to the Rolex that’s perfect that has one tiny little micro-spring that pops. Does it shut down the mechanism? Hell yeah. It’s all a matter of perspective. It’s an incredibly valuable piece if you think about it. Go ahead back there.


Guest 4: Is hypnosis a way to kind of bypass any of these? [47:32]


Eric: Yes and no. You have to remember that every single person has created what I call “guardians.” These are safety mechanisms in your brain. They’re filters. This is actually something designed, once again, through evolution in us. We create identities and personas, I talk about these in the things that I teach. You have a personality for hunger that’s like, “I’m hungry. We’ve got to eat.” We’ve got another one that’s like, “I want to be comfortable,” and you’re starving and you’re tired and you want to sit, but the only thing that’s available immediately for the hunger to be solved is sitting on the wood bench at the counter. You’re looking over and you see these big cushy booths. They’re cozy and they’re blocking out everybody. You can just get right in there. The lady says, “Well, that’s going to be ten or fifteen minutes.” You’re looking over, or you can have it now. The hunger says, “Move your ass. We’ve got to eat.’ The comfy say, “C’mon, we can wait! We can do it! We can go over!” They’re fighting now. They’re fighting and they’re all like, “I really want—” “…but what if—what if they end up sitting longer than they should?” These are all personalities that you think are you but they’re identities of you.


Back to your question: Yes, hypnosis will work. It’s how skilled the director is. The director is only going to get you as far as much as they can figure out your game. Your game is “What do you have designed in there?” There’s a thing that I do in another class. We teach people. We go through a kind of hypnosis and you probably know it. A lot of you have been around. I call it “the kingdom,” and we use it for what it should be used for. You create a kingdom. You create walls. You are the king or the queen in the center of that kingdom. You have nights. You have an army. You have all these different things, so we build and we design this but all of them have a psychological purpose that you’re trying to orient in a physical way so you can have a relationship to understand what you’re doing.


In other words, you’re taking control in your mind. You have to create a structure, just like I said, “Don’t create a structure for your third state,” because you can’t do it. You’re going to limit it. You can do it for almost everything else so you say to yourself, “I’ve got walls. What are the walls for?” The walls are for negative people. It’s for negative energy. It’s for aggressive people trying to dominate you in a psychological way. These are my walls. When they say or they do something, I’m not going to be emotionally affected. I know I’m safe within these walls but I can look out and say, “What do you want? Alright. (imitates spitting noise) Take that!”


All joking aside, there’s this wall and this is what’s protecting people from siphoning your energy. Subconsciously, you’ve given jobs to the hunger “I” and the comfort “I,” but you’ve created the wall “I,” you’ve created the soldier “I’s.” You’re actively designing it rather than being a product of it telling you as a living organism what to do to survive. You’ve upped the ante as an intelligent being. You’re like, “Well, let’s take this to the next stage.” Who’s guarding the front door from crazy people? Who’s keeping me from getting depressed and saying, “This is depressing. This person is bringing you down.” You’ve got to be like, “Pay attention.” It can say you’re getting hungry and you’re like, ‘Oh, I’m hungry. Right, right, right.’” Then, it needs to say, “This is danger. This is a bad person but you’re not seeing it.” You’ve set the job for one of these I’s to identify it.


You create the kingdom. When it’s really bad, you send your army out. That army is consciousness if you really were to understand what it was. It’s there to combat or to push back people who are trying to dominate you. You create this whole kingdom and this kingdom is really psychology. It’s really energy. It’s really how your mind moves. You’re giving it a secure, stronger way. You create this massive library and you’re going to throw the church out of the kingdom. You’re going to create some kind of spiritual temple in there and you’re like, “Finally, yes.”
You design it and these are I’s. You put somebody in charge of that and you say, “This is how important you are. You’re like my left-hand or right-hand counsel. You get a lot more say than the other I’s that are the ones who got crazy.”


When you have somebody doing hypnosis on you, you want them to have an idea of psychology to some degree. They need to understand you. If you have a kingdom, they should understand your kingdom. Somebody in that kingdom needs to invite them in. You need to say—Well, knowing me, “I’ve gotta escort you.” “Really? You’ve got so many guards? “Mhm. That’s right.” This is how. It’s “how far will you let them into the kingdom? How many layers of walls in? Where is it that you want to allow them?” You want to go into your mind. Fine. How do you do that in your kingdom? I have a special place built with a giant pool of water and in that pool of water brings me into different places outside of this realm that are part of me. You dive into it or that person shoves you in. They say, “Swim to the bottom. When you get to the bottom, you’re going to come up and do a little swoop. You pop up, what do you see?”


This is where the other part of you brings you because it knows what you want. There are secret I’s. The secret I’s want to help you but they’re so subdued by the dominant I’s in life and stress and health and all these things that they’re not really seen until you find a way to get around them. By going in the pool, you’re cleansing. These all are representative of things, the symbolism of psychology in your mind. The person who’s directing that has to have a good psychological mind if you really want to get to the core stuff. That’s what I’m trying to say.


No two hypnotists are always equal. You’ve got to find the right person and you’ve got to trust them. If you have any trust issues, you’re not going to go under deep for them. You’re guardians or your level of suspicion, the suspicious I-finder—It’s like the religious ones that hunt down the witches. You’ve got your one there, suspicious of everybody. They won’t let anybody in. Now you’ve got trust issues. I definitely have trust issues because I’ve been in everybody’s head. That’s why I’m like, “What the hell?”


Yes and no. You have to find somebody—I would say find somebody in HBI that you can kind of trust that does hypnosis because there are people that are very good here to work with you to use that system. The results will be much more profound. If you go out of that system, then they’re going to use their language which is their technique, on you. It’ll probably work great if they’re clever enough to find a system that works for everybody. You still have to have a trust level and if your left thumb crosses over your right, ten to one, you’ll do great. If the right thumb crosses over the left, you’re going to be like, “I’ve got like twenty layers of security you’ve got to get through and it’s going to be all day.”



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