Nick: At the time of this recording, you have the second version of Handbook of the Navigator coming out. One of the things that I find interesting about the subtitle is “why you and the universe were meant to meet.” When you mention that it made me stop for a minute to consider “what does that actually mean? What does Eric want me to get from it?” Do you mind elaborating a little bit more on the subtitle and what you—[1:47]

 

Eric: I mean, it’s definitely a multi-answer. I mean, on the closest surface level, it’s to say that anybody who’s seeking is seeking God or the universe. There’s this undertone, nagging drive to connect with the universe. We intuitively know or instinctively know that it’s God that is the end result we’re trying to get to. Also, the title part that you didn’t mention was that it says “Alpha and Omega,” which is beginning and end. It’s used often in many circles of spirituality. My point is that the ultimate end is to meet, per se, the source by which is all creation. When I say that “you and the universe were meant to meet,” meaning the person who finds the books, it’s that it’s been calling you. That’s why you’re searching. You feel that call but you don’t have a way to define what that call is. There’s no t a name for it. There’s not a distinguishing “here it is, you can hold it in your hands and put it on a shelf.”

In essence, it’s already trying to get ahold of you and you’re trying to find it. You’re trying to connect with it desperately in an organic world something that transcends our reality. When one says, “you and the universe were meant to meet,” obviously, you were. I mean, that’s why you’re looking, that’s why it’s calling and that’s what the whole point of it is. Of course, the final result is: what does it want? What is it that it wants? Of course, your answer isn’t what you want. What do you want me to do?

 

Nick: I remember reading Handbook of the Navigator for the first time and relating so much to what it is that you had to say in the sense of the Navigator calling you or the universe calling you, the feeling that you had a purpose. I feel that feeling resonates with so many people out there and they really don’t, as you said, know what it is or how to put a name to it. [4:01]

Eric: Right, right,

 

Nick: So, one of the other things that I found interesting with the whole “Alpha and Omega” is that your first book was Handbook of the Navigator, then you did the entire book series, God’s Last Secret, and now you’ve come full-circle back to Handbook of the Navigator 2.0. So, beginning and end, I just found that interesting. [4:30]

 

Eric: Alright.

Nick: So, on that topic, you’ve left a trail of, let’s say “breadcrumbs,” for people to follow, to say, “Okay, I have this feeling. I go into meditation. I develop my sixth sense. You give all these advanced teachings and then you have recently kind of topped it with God’s Last Secret and simulated reality.” Now, we’ve reached that point. You’ve come back to Handbook 2.0 and you’ve now included simulated reality into the fundamental teachings, what was there in the very beginning, as if you were trying to say, “This is what I wanted you to see all along.” [4:51]

 

Eric: Right. Anybody who really knows my material knows that to be a very accurate truth, long before the book was even published. Decades before, I was already talking before it became popular or hip or before The Matrix came out or any of this. At the time—and I’ve said this before—there’s no way for me to have tried to sum this up because the collective, the majority at least of society, really couldn’t wrap their head around the idea of what a simulated reality was. They barely could wrap their head around when The Matrix came out. They still struggled with trying to understand that and probably still do. To take the leap of saying to someone that reality is not real, it’s an illusion, which was stated thousands of years ago.

 

Finding a way in a logical approach, to try to wrap your head around that has always been the number one biggest challenge and I often say, “You can’t really teach people something unless the collective already has a good understanding or the bearings for it.” I think now that it’s there. I think we’re there.

 

Nick: How would you want people to feel comfortable with simulated reality and pursuing their spirituality, especially those who are just finding The Handbook? Let’s say spiritual—[6:46]

 

Eric: Well, look, everything, if you just run a little test, take everything you know about your spiritual journey, take everything largely from your Hindu teaching or Buddhism or whatever you want. Put it with the understanding of thinking what a simulated reality is and interpret between the two what the answer would be. Nothing fits better, nothing is clearer, nothing resonates or makes more sense than if you look through things through the lens of the idea of a simulated reality. Once you understand that and you hear things outside of this or that or reincarnation. Reincarnation meaning maybe you go into other program and you existence continues. If you think about everything paranormal, how is it possible in a world of science that can’t wrap its mind around it? Now, all of a sudden, it absolutely is perfectly functional along with quantum physics and everything.

 

When you start to look at it from that perspective, through a logical mind, everything changes. You cannot gain enlightenment, you cannot gain higher consciousness, you cannot be at the feet of the universe, God, whatever, unless you are capable of comprehending that which you are receiving or perceiving. So, you have to elevate your own consciousness and understanding, your own education to a level that allows you to approach something that’s infinitely beyond you.

 

So, it’s understanding through the idea of what is a simulated reality, what is everything. Everything is made out of energy. Everything is frequency. Everything is vibration but people roll these words off their tongue as if they truly understand them and they don’t have a clue. When you really fathom on all this and you go into deep meditations and you meditate on the whole idea that logically you can understand that maybe it is an illusion. Maybe it’s my neural system being told that this is what you’re experiencing and seeing and you can really, validly wrap your head around that because that is an act of conscious will.

 

It’s one thing to say, “I believe that all of this is an illusion.” Rubbish, you do. It’s another to get your mind to truly, truly accept that truth, to really break it down so much that every little doubting Thomas in your head, when you really look at it, it’s only then that the walls begin to bend. It’s only then that reality becomes true and it becomes clear and you begin to see through this reality of perception. Until you really get to that, you’re only lying to yourself and your ego is telling you so.

 

Nick: So, we often have people that message us in regards to wanting to have experiences. When you say “getting the walls to bend” and having these phenomena, it seems that they’re jumping too fast too soon and thus, they’re—[9:52]

 

Eric: Well, that’s the Mcdonald’s age. I mean, this is the problem. A spiritual teacher now is in competition with the movies and Six Flags and everything else.

 

Nick: Having been a part of Higher Balance for almost a decade now and having gone through all the teachings, I can validate that the teachings are effective and the experiences are phenomenal. Jumping back to something you just said, when it comes to serving the Force, you can’t really serve unless you understand what it really is. You said that in Alisoné right from the beginning. [10:18]

Eric: Decades ago, yeah.

 

Nick: When approaching our spirituality now with a better understanding of simulated reality, you’re in a sense saying that we are now more able to serve the Force on a deeper level if we can comprehend? [10:47]

 

Eric: Well, the first thing is: In order to work with something, you have to understand what it is you’re working with. You’ve got to have an understanding of it. You can’t just have an optical or a distant view of something. You need to literally, in a sense, become immersed in it and know it well. I think that people have good intentions but they lack the effort to put into truly developing that level of commitment, that level of understanding, that level of reflection. Therein lies the problem.

 

Nick: You often say, “If you sit in the rain, you’re going to get wet.” Now, would it be okay to say for people who are just coming on board and they’re now taking in simulated reality, that as they go through the teachings, they have a filter or perspective of trying to see things from that simulated reality perspective, not trying to jump right into it? Do you think that just reflecting on that will help them further down the road? [11:42]

 

Eric: If they can accept it. Again, people say words but I often doubt they understand what they’re saying. It’s one thing to say, “Oh, I accept that we live in a simulated reality.” Do you? Do you really? I don’t think so. I think that that is a huge problem, that they have no truly meditated on it or worked on it or did these things. I think that ego is constantly an issue. They just want to be greater than what they are and you’ve really got to put in the miles. You’ve got to put in the time, you’ve got to put in the effort. When I say “sitting out in the rain, listening to the modules,” yeah, you’re taking in information but regardless of the information that you’re taking in, you have to reflect on that. Those are the gears of motion in your mind to expand consciousness. They should rewind that and listen to that statement.

 

Nick: Got it. You could say it leads into another topic that we were wanting to discuss: “Want for nothing, gain everything.” It seems so simple but it’s so elusive. [13:09]

Eric: I don’t think it’s elusive at all. I think it makes pure logical sense in the purest form. I mean, I’ll break it down. When I say “want nothing, gain everything,” it’s that you have to have an ultimate truth with yourself to realize that in all likelihood, everything that you think you want is really based upon your intellect and you’re making assumptions. It’s like a child telling you it wants this or that and you know that that’s not really what you want, to have comfort or security or to be fed or to be nourished. In that child’s mind, it makes perfect sense that eating Fruit Loops cereal for three meals a day for life, to the child, is the greatest thing in the world. To a person who has a greater level of knowledge or insight, it clearly wouldn’t be. The point is that everything that you want spiritually when you’re approaching the universe, it’s like you unconsciously are setting demands. You have expectations. You have these things.

 

It’s like when some people say to me, “You know, I don’t think you’re enlightened.” I’m fine with that. Out of curiosity, have you met somebody enlightened to compare me note for note with or is it just something you read in a book? We make assumptions all the time and that is based on what we think things should be. It’s just like knowledge. If the knowledge doesn’t fit or it doesn’t conform to what you want it to be, what you want to be is incredibly limited. It should be challenging and pushing your limits of thought. That’s when you know it’s really something new and changing and evolving and growing.

 

When I say, “want for nothing,” I say, “When you sit down ultimately and meditate, most people go in for power, most people go in for love.” I’ve said this and I don’t have a problem with that because I know where they both lead in the end. The point is that you’re setting conditions and the universe is saying, “I don’t agree with this. I don’t think I can approach you because I can’t be what you want me to be or what you expect me to be.” Therefore, it stays away. It doesn’t really—

 

You almost prevent it from manifesting in your life because you expect it to either be a winged creature like an angel or you expect it to be alien or you expect it to be an old man on a throne. You expect it to be energy like the Force. That inconceivable but that’s still an expectation. If reality is not real and we live in a simulated reality and what’s beyond it, don’t take a limited amount of whatever you think you are and at least operating from your brain, go into it thinking that this is what it should be. Whether you realize it or not, you’re setting a boundary for it to fulfill. If it doesn’t fulfill, just like counting the f’s in Handbook of the Navigator, you can’t see them all. It’s almost as if it becomes transparent to your consciousness. It’s only when you want for nothing that you’re actually approaching something with non-thought. With non-thought, you still have a consciousness. You’re still thinking. You’re still intelligent. It’s something that transcends the mortal reality. It’s only then that you begin to see the manifestation of something begin to appear. You have to be careful. This is why you have to have great skill through meditation in your practice because the second your mind start to—or your brain comes in—it tries to identify and structuralize what you’re seeing. You’re now limiting and re-doing again. You’re setting a parameter by which you can comprehend.

 

As I said before with the ship and the primitive tribe seeing it, none of them could see it. It was only the shaman that could begin to see something and it started to take shape. It also reminds me of the Jody Foster movie there where she went out into space—Contact—and on the beach, you see this glimmering thing moving towards her. It takes on the form of her father and she says, “I know you’re not my father.” “Well, I came in a shape that I thought would be pleasant.” That’s all great, but that’s Hollywood. The reality is that her mind wanted to put it into a shape and it was looking to find a shape for her. The problem is that it also limited the truth of the experience.

Had she had the ability to not make her mind or allow her mind to conform it into a shape that was something that her intellect could understand, her intellect would’ve been forced to neurologically build to have higher levels of sensory or awareness or comprehension.

 

Nick: Well said. [18:19]

 

Eric: It’s worth thinking about and it’s very complicated. It’s a very loaded question because what I’m trying to say is that removing want is something that you don’t even realize you’re wanting. To remove desire is something that you’re not even sure how you define that. When you’re meditating, are you not wanting or desiring something? It’s only with true non-thought that you let go of everything. When somebody comes to you, I always say, “Nobody bothers you unless they want something from you.” They want companionship, sex, friendship, money, something, knowledge, call it whatever you want.

 

Nobody ever approaches you with the desire of nothing. If you were an omnipresent being, God, the universe, call it whatever you want, if you’re going to approach it, you’re approaching it like a nagging child. Do you understand? If you want for nothing, it’s almost as if you’re willing to say, “I’m here. I came. I answered your call. I don’t have any baggage or conditions for you. I’m open to whatever it is you want to share with me and I’m not going to filter it. It’s then that your consciousness is moved to a higher level. It’s then that you begin to understand beyond a human level of comprehension. It’s then that they moments of enlightenment begin to trickle in. To get to that point, the impatience alone is something that fuels or empowers the whole thing of want and desire.

 

Nick: So, are there ways that we can practice in wanting for nothing, in a sense, for the brain to comprehend what it is that you’re trying to do or the state of mind that you’re trying to get into? [19:53]

 

Eric: You have the one necessary thing that ultimately needs. Every white cell has it that is searching. That is a desire to be in the presence of God, the desire to be in the presence of the universe. Other than that, you want for nothing more. You don’t even have to think about wanting that. It’s such a present, core part of you that in some respects, it is you. By simply wanting for nothing and meditating in the correct process, you essentially are already giving yourself a destination to move towards. It’s only when we think in our human mind and try to think in human terms or ideologies or concepts or beliefs or ethics or call it whatever you want, that that’s like leads or cement on us. It’s when you detach from all of these things and you just allow yourself to be that that pure essence of wanting to be one with the universe actually can take flight and take direction.

 

Nick: Got it. It seems when you internalize that feeling that it’s a frequency you carry within you after you reflect on it. [21:13]

 

Eric: It’s a part of you. It’s a part of a White Cell at least.

 

Nick: With that comes what seems to be a connection on a deeper level of connection to the Force. I feel like even just internalizing the thought of it creates that connection or creates that relationship. [21:27]

 

Eric: Let me make another point to you. I was just reading something, a question somebody sent into me, a rather intelligent person. They were talking about in Hinduism the concept of no more need of reincarnation. It’s that moment that you move outside the matrix was the person’s question which I thought was a very good question. Here goes in the statement—I don’t know if all of the listeners are going to truly be able to understand this but everybody’s itching for the real, good answers. Here it is, whether you can recognize it or not…You know…I can’t go beyond that.

 

If we live in a simulated reality, then ask yourself in a way: If you had to, what do you think is outside of the matrix? If it’s pure energy, is that energy going to take a shape of anything that is, in a sense, material? Is it going to have walls? Is it going to have skin? Will it have hair? Will it be breathing? Will it have organisms? Will it have structure? Will it have doorways, doorknobs, carpeting, floors, rocks, trees, planets? None of that! In a sense, ultimately, you could say it’s energy in our initial perception, at least through an organic view. It would be nothing. It would be nothing to the sensories that you have for your five senses. Everything that you’re trying to grasp or put your mind around has to be in your brain doing it. It wants to say “You’re a tree. You’re a piece of bark. You’re a stone. You’re this or that.” It’s trying to reference but there’s no referencing, so as long as you try to do that, you never can grab it. You have to use some higher elevation that transcends your five senses or your organic sense of reality. There’s something there.

 

Nick: Right. I was going to bring up a statement that you’ve said: “From nothing came something.” [23:30]

 

Eric: That’s right, that’s right. It’s interesting. Somebody posted up on our forum section that somebody came up with a way to film wi-fi signals. They were showing the pictures on there and they’re really actually pretty cool looking. It has all these kinds of blues and colors swirling and you can see a structure to it but herein lies the thing: We are looking for structure. That’s a very organic perception and something that we just can’t easily remove from ourselves. That’s why you practice meditation, to remove that desire. The point is that that’s what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to do exactly that.

 

Here’s something that’s wifi that’s not apparent to us but we know it’s there. We have tools that can extract it’s highly intelligent information. To our five sense, it simply doesn’t exist. So, we create something that can conform it into a color spectrum which probably isn’t its colors at all. It gives us a guideline of tagging of it so we can look at it and go, “Oh! I can see it with its structure.” We want to give it structure. The thing is, there it is. Our five senses couldn’t do it. We did give a way for it to be interpreted for us and there it exists. So, too, does this reality beyond this simulated thing that we exist in. You have to let go of everything you understand or everything that you think or even your inkling to want to, you have to be aware it’s happening. It’s only when you want for nothing that you can actually begin to perceive it. Your higher consciousness steps in. This mind that controls and functions, your other body, your other vessel that coexists with your organic machine. It’s only then that it, in a sense, is forced to turn on and start to do the interpreting. You will want to do, like the wifi, add color or structure but the hardest thing is to not do that. What will happen is that something in the bridge between your mind and your brain starts to build a new kind of consciousness in order to interpret a reality that otherwise would be invisible to you.

 

Nick: Got it. It’s safe to say that through all of your training, you teach people how to do all of that? [25:50]

 

Eric: Absolutely, yeah.

 

Nick: Just for the listeners to know all of that. [25:58]

 

Eric: I’ve been teaching this stuff for a long time but I think most people who think of my material, they want to put it in the same box as New Age, psychic phenomena, whatever and I hate responding to that because it sounds so arrogant or uppity or whatever, but…Everything that you think you know is wrong. Even though I use the words “telepathy,” “astral projection,” “mind projection,” “psychic phenomena,” if you read what I say, I will break it down and give it to you in such a way that you’re going to go, “No wonder it didn’t work the other ways! Now it makes perfect sense!” I get it. It’s like a revelation.

 

Nick: Absolutely, and I can confirm with people sending in stuff that they’re having more and more mandalas, breaking their expectations. [26:40]

 

Eric: Yeah, because I’m giving them the pieces that half of these other people who have been preaching all this stuff haven’t got a clue. I hate saying that because it does sound that I’m speaking poorly and I don’t want to. I’m just saying, “Look, I have two choices. Either call it what it is and help others or coddle what’s out there because I don’t want to get negative slack from other people criticizing me because I call their stuff crap and not really help people in the way that I know that I could and have.”

 

Nick: I don’t think it’s just you saying it. We have a lot of people saying what they’ve been able to do. [27:14]

 

Eric: Well, they’ve got to discover the material first. It’s for those people who are just coming in the door, listening to us now. I think that everybody has also put in a lot of work in their own journey and nobody wants to be told, “Yeah, you’ve got it all wrong.” This is why it’s not working to the qualitative level for you to have the breakthroughs that you should be getting.

Nick: So, going back to “want for nothing, gain everything,” it seems that for one, the brain has a challenging time comprehending the meaning of that. If we look a little bit deeper, is it more so the Doe, the Matrix, whatever you want to call it, actually not wanting you to internalize that or reflect on the “want for nothing” because it begins to separate you from the Matrix? [27:41]

 

Eric: That’s exactly correct. Like the laws of physics, we have gravity, we have what we’ll call light and the livid of light speed and all these other things. There’s the law of mass. There’s the law of this and that and everything. So, too, are there other laws that we’re just beginning to comprehend. If you ask me, these are fundamental rules to any program. If you were to have a computer program, you have to set up fundamental laws in order to have a construct to start building an artificial reality. Without those constructs, you really don’t have a way to construct something. There are no ends. There’s nothing to attach to. It’s like a puzzle. It’s like puzzle that doesn’t have any edges or corners. Where would you be? You just lump a bunch of stuff together, I guess, but there’s not necessarily enough order to the chaos in order to make it functional in that sense in the way that it’s being looked at.

 

So, in essence, I guess the bottom line is this: When you think of meditation, the point of meditation is to essentially let go of everything and to have non-thought. If you think about what I’m saying this, why would you want to do that? What is your ultimate goal if you do that? There’s nothing. The cup is empty. The whole point is that it’s saying exactly what I’m saying, it’s just been saying it for a lot longer. The goal of meditation is to want nothing. By doing so, you gain everything because your mind finally stops trying to interpret or integrate with something that’s controlling you. As soon as you stop reacting with it, it’s only then that you separate from it. Does that make sense? I don’t want to give out guru talk here. I want to keep it simple.

 

Nick: No, it makes complete logic. That’s insane. [29:52]

 

Eric: It’s like anything in life. The more spiritual you become, somebody is going to come banging on your door or there’s going to be a crisis. Every time you begin to evolve to a certain level, there are always something that brings you down. It goes beyond coincidence. You just have to become aware of it. The point is, once you become aware of it, you forget that you’re aware of it. You’ve got to sit there and just go to that effect and go, “What the hell is going on?” That should be enough for you to say, “I need to isolate my consciousness in order to escape this.” It’s designed to hold you here. If it wasn’t designed to hold you mentally here, what would be the point of any of this?

 

Nick: That’s a good question. [30:35]

 

Eric: It would cease to have any relevance.

 

Nick: Right. I’m glad that you brought up the importance of meditation because it seems that people tend to forget the importance of meditation and they try to jump, whether it’s trying to be a great healer or mind project. The first thing that I typically ask is, “Well, are you meditating? Are you absorbing prana? Are you doing the Foundation Meditation?” Oftentimes, it’s not as much as—[30:38]

 

Eric: Lazy. Lazy. They’re lazy. Everybody wants the flash. I would not have had the success that I had or it wouldn’t have gotten to the level that it did for me had I not discovered meditation at some early point in my life and then was able to refine that. The point being that the importance of meditation, compared to everything else, it’s to say that everything in your life would be psychic abilities and phenomena and all these other things but it would be like living in America without a car or a bicycle or a motorcycle or a form of transportation other than walking. It’s not to say it can’t be done, it would just be extremely difficult. Unless we lived in a small country, it would be ideal.

 

Meditation teaches you or gives you the discipline to focus your mind to achieve mind projection. It gives you the true mental focus to truly do healings. It gives you the true discipline and skill to use your mind in applications that transcend reality. It is the part that holds your hands steady, your focus. If everything is a simulation if everything’s an illusion, then every act that you do, is really a push against the laws of the matrix. Everything psychic phenomena is really bending the rules of the matrix we live in, at least that’s how science understands it. So, if it’s occurring, something is occurring that’s paranormal. It’s not normal, it’s parallel to normal. It’s something that’s going beyond that. In essence, what fact of willpower are you deriving to bend reality? By what act of will on your part, in your mind, is allowing you to do something that’s considered psychic phenomena or metaphysical? If you want to compound that skill, then develop more discipline of the source that’s allowing you to do that. That universally always comes back to meditation. It’s about keeping your brain quiet and getting your mind, which is another intelligence, to consciously—You’ve got to be able to wrap your mind around that—to focus on what it needs to do and to stay focused without an interruption that grounds you back down again.

 

That takes a lot of will. It’s like a parent with kids. You’ve got to be able to focus on what you’re doing. The kids are screaming. Eventually, they build up this kind of awareness where they know the difference between normal ruckus and trouble and they’re able to focus on what they’re doing. That comes from repetition. It’s the same thing, if you’re going to escape reality or you’re going to affect reality, then you really need to focus on the source by which guides the training of your skill. You need the skill, you need to train in it, which is why I teach it. It’s the same token. The extent of using that tool in order to extract information from the cracks of reality is really the—It’s like surgeon tools. I can give you the tools to do the job but you’ve got to keep your hands steady to achieve the goal. If you can’t keep your hand steady, then having all the tools is, in a sense, useless. You can cut something, but you can’t cut it in a way that it’s going to be beneficial. You can’t do something with those tools to the highest level of what could yield the greatest extraction of information. That’s what everybody’s doing. They’re learning how to do stuff but they’re haphazardly doing stuff. This is why they’re not really getting any real traction. Meditation is fundamentally the driving force tool that should support any skill that you do. It’s what separates the badass from the haphazards.

 

Nick: Just to clarify, the meditation that you’re speaking of at the moment is the Foundation Meditation? [34:45]

 

Eric: Yes, using three chakra points, yeah.

 

It’s the same thing to do the Tone Meditation. I just recently had somebody who’s been around for years and they’re like, “Well, I can only hear one or two Tones.” I’m flabbergasted because I’m like, “How is that even possible? How long have you been around?” This is where meeting in person and dealing with these things…They’re so simple to fix. It’s so simple to help somebody. I can’t wrap my mind around it. I really can’t.

 

Nick: So, with tying things together or putting the pieces together, you’d say that for one to really serve the Force and fulfill that feeling within them, to find God, to meet with the universe, is through meditation, is through—[35:27]

 

Eric: That, overall, is a big portion of it. Understanding psychic phenomena really is, and understanding those tools really is that bridge from this reality to that reality. Without them, it’s like meeting God but not being able to have a conversation.

 

Nick: That makes sense, yeah. [36:08]

 

Eric: This is why you need to understand truly what paranormal phenomena really is, why and how it really works, and what its true use is. Right now, everybody just has a 10% watered-down version because most the people who are talking about it are regurgitating something that came from somebody else who regurgitated it that came from somebody else. I mean, you’d have to go back to Eastern philosophy in order to understand that culture and then probably have that teacher in front of you to correct exactly what they’re trying to say because people muck it up. That’s the human mind and that’s what’s happened.

 

There was something that I wanted to comment on and I kind of lost my train of thought on that one part because we got talking, but there are so many things left unsaid that you wish you could cover it all. Again, I also think that whenever we have these conversations, it’s like I feel like there’s an ocean wave crushing down on me to not say what I’m saying, to not communicate what I’m communicating or not to do a good job communicating it because 50% of that babble of giving that knowledge is the other 50% receiving it in a way that they can interpret it. If they miss that mark, then there was no point in even trying at all.

 

I think that if people can understand the simulated reality and start to really, truly reflect it and have a means through the metaphysical teachings that I teach to interpret it, I think that that’s what becomes profound. You know, people need to know that there’s a reason why people call it “a journey,” and I think the younger generations all want—They think that once they start, they’re supposed to have all the answers in a week or a month or a year. For people who have been on the journey for ten, twenty, thirty years, they’re still thinking, “Okay, I need to be at the end of this journey.” I think a lot of them didn’t start the journey with me, at least, or didn’t follow it in that way and I think that they have to understand that it’s called a journey for a reason. When you can accept that and not look at a beginning or an end, it’s that you realize that the journey may be long but you’ve elevated to a greater view. It is appreciating that growth and that view of understanding and that perception of reality that really, I think it’s probably one of the most important things to truly understand.

 

Let’s try to look at this through a simulated reality. If you have a simulated reality, it would be fair to say that the majority of people in the simulated reality are asleep. This is what’s ironic because we often refer to people that are not spiritual as being “asleep.” We’ve really got to listen to the things we say because what that really means—and I keep saying, “Start looking everything through the eyes, the window of a simulated reality.” When we say, “People are asleep,” it’s to say that they’re not aware that they’re in a simulated reality. They’re not aware that there’s something beyond everything they touch, they smell, they feel, that there’s something more. We feel it, we just can’t reach it, touch it, smell it. That’s why we’ve got to figure out what it is we need to evolve to in order to make contact.

 

In that process of people being asleep and being awake—and I’ve totally lost my train of thought now. The whole universe just dumped me, the whole wave got crushing. What was it that you were saying?

Nick: Teaching. [39:54]

 

Eric: Yeah, okay. Here we go. The point is that if we are inside of—if we want to call it inside, again, here we go with coining stuff—the matrix, by becoming conscious that we’re in it, we become a different frequency, different in the eyes of the simulation or whatever it is that would observe us. We are a frequency. We are like a zig-zag of electricity, if you will, versus straight, parallel lines. In order to continue the awakening process of a consciousness-collective, you need to build up amperage. By building up amperage, a collective consciousness inside of a collective consciousness, you have then what is called an awakening. Have that awakening, then the confounds of reality begin to become distorted or break down. I would honestly say that at the end, this is part of the bigger collective instead of the minor collective, meaning the minor collective. There’s always other things going on, not just what you think is the big thing. I think there’s individual purpose and then there’s multitude purpose, collectively as alisoné.

 

Nick: Do you mind going into that a little bit deeper? [41:08]

 

Eric: If you ask the right questions, I’ll give you the right answers.

 

Nick: Alright, so…Let me turn on my thought real quick. I’m changing my perspective because when we’re talking, it’s like I’m looking at it as in, “Okay, we have individuals reach in. Here’s a question. How can I help them?” Most common questions, it’s like, “Okay, how do we take the collective and apply this?” [41:13]

 

Eric: It’s doing what we’re doing, the only difference is that we’re acknowledging it on a higher level. If you look at Hinduism, Buddhism, and the evolution of other religions, I would say that although aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism are likely older than certain religions, I do see them going through an evolutionary stage. It’s as if you could say that shamans existed and they had a parallel relationship with reality while the majority were more grounded. As this wattage builds up into religions, they have it slightly different but it’s almost like it digressed because it became a very physical idea of what life was after death. We go to heaven, God is a bearded man. There are aspects of religion that still try to keep transcending this parallel sense of reality. That collective kept building and building in different neural pathways of the planet as population grew. Here you have what I consider cutting-edge, Higher Balance being cutting-edge, of understanding that we are building a neural system inside a neural system that is self-aware. The self-aware of that collective is what will potentially awaken the consciousness of the planet. I think it affects technology. I think it affects reality. I think it affects—

 

This goes back to the hundredth monkey. It’s to say that when you have a multitude of a species thinking a similar thing, that there’s a collective wave of thought that encompasses the planet and that other similar species or that species all of a sudden, epiphanies start to happen like common sense to do those things, like Rupert Sheldrake’s work and stuff. The point is: What is the point by which we, as a collective, have to understand and comprehend that we are in a simulated reality before it takes on a greater effect of affecting reality.

 

Nick: Got it, okay. With the kind of stuff that we were talking about earlier on in our conversation about “wanting for nothing” or being, in a sense, “silent in your mind,” quiet so that your consciousness can move to these kinds of places. If we’re looking at things as a collective, would you say that then there needs to be that moment where things quiet down collectively to be able to again, shift the consciousness? I know you’ve talked about this in—[43:32]

 

Eric: I think it will begin to happen on an intuitive level. I think that there’s a lot of things in the world that already happen like this, just in a Red Cell perspective. I do think White Cell perspective happens but again, sounding snooty, it’s always a New Age, “crystally” color. It’s still materializing into a matter, a sense of physical object when I say matter. It always comes down to some form of matter relating to energy and there’s not this greater transcendence of understanding. I do think that the stuff that I’m teaching—and I’m seeing other people come out with stuff—this is a whole, new, epic level of consciousness.

 

Nick: By individuals reflecting on the collective being in a simulated reality, thus, would you say that it affects the overall kind of strength of that collective? [45:00]

 

Eric: Well, here. Here’s another way to say this. If we live in a simulated reality and it’s monitoring all of us, everything, if you look at quantum physics or to say that talk about particles, we know that we affect a particle, it’s progress or the way it functions only when we observe it. It reactive to our observation. It’s almost like reality only happens if we observe it, meaning we become aware of it. If you have a certain amount of people contemplating the fact that we live in a simulated reality, tell me then, how do particles react to that, that [which] affects what is reality or what we perceive as reality. What is the next thing it does in order to accommodate that level of awareness?

 

Nick: Okay, makes sense. [46:05]

 

Eric: It’s potent stuff if you really can wrap your head around it.

 

Nick: I get it, yeah. Heh, that’s awesome. Is this kind of—[46:10]

 

Eric: So, on a micro level, that’s what you’re doing.

 

Nick: Sure. [46:20]

 

Eric: On a macro level, collectively, you have to be aware. That’s what you’re doing.

 

Nick: Okay, so you have to be aware of what it is that you’re contemplating? [46:27]

 

Eric: You already are! You already are, just by contemplating it, but if you don’t make an active effort to reflect on it, then that’s how things die off.

Nick: I can see that. No, it makes complete sense. Is this separate from the “meditate on the world meditating,” or is it kind of one saying? [46:40]

 

Eric: It parallels that. It’s all stuff that’s accommodating a transformation of consciousness. It’s all aspects of necessity to happen. I don’t expect the majority of the world to understand. I expect only an elite level of few to understand, in true honesty, that even listen to this that can even begin to contemplate what I’m trying to say and to put it into practice. The majority have the potential, so by meditating on the world meditating, you’re creating a clearer state of energy that’s stabilizing. In so doing, you have to realize that the collective mind is the source by which the Doe is fed. The reason: there’s an energy of consciousness behind that and we’re all subjective to it, the same way in the hundredth monkey that there’s a collective thought. There is a collective thought of mundaneness. It’s very strong. That’s what creates an order of the daily task of what everyday life is. That’s (inaudible).

 

If you can tone that down even a tiny bit through meditating on the world meditating per se, to create this feeling of calmness, you then have the opportunity for the things that we’re discussing to thrive out of that because that’s what it flourishes in. You’re creating the best environment for what we do to take root.

 

Nick: Okay. I know people ask about meditating on the world meditating and they’re wondering, “Where are we?” In a sense of scale, what do you need White Cells to do? Do we need to amp it up more? [48:27]

 

Eric: I actually think that since we’ve put that out there—I don’t want to be vain or something—but I actually can see some effect already. I’m observing it closely like everybody else and monitoring the news and what’s happening in the world, but there is actually, for this first time, a positive transition starting. I don’t want it to stop.

 

Nick: Okay, awesome. [48:59]

 

Eric: So, let’s cross our fingers that it takes greater momentum here soon.

 

Nick: Definitely. Awesome, okay. [49:07]

 

Eric: So, just for people who may not understand what I mean by “meditate on the world meditating,” in other words, when you meditate, you’re trying to reach a level of non-thought, non-emotion, clarity, calmness, just placid water that is reflecting the sky. That simple level of that is to say that you’re imbuing or wanting you neighbors to feel that same thing, or some tiny portion of what you’re emanating out, like a tuning fork. By thinking that, now you’ve set a direction to your energy. You’ve programmed the energy to have an objective. It’s got a job: find the neighbors and let’s have them send it out to whoever they meet. If we continue to do this, this is what’s calming this strong negative vibration. We’re trying to change the note of the frequency as if to say it’s a tuning fork. It’s like a deeper tone, it’s destructive. We want to make it switch to a higher note or switch the instrument to progressively change. Nothing’s real anyway, why can’t we make the instrument transform into a different form of that instrument at a different note? That’s how you should see everything.

 

Nick: For those listening and just for your clarification, this doesn’t mean that you’re forcing people to meditate or you’re pushing your will on other people, it’s just that you’re projecting the note, the frequency. [50:21]

 

Eric: You’re projecting it and it will take it on if it wants to. I believe that there is good in all humanity and ideally, we are drawn to that by nature so if it’s presented, which it’s not, the only thing that’s dominating is destructive energy. The more we reflect on that, the more we pick up that tune.

 

Nick: Got it. Awesome. [50:47]

 

Eric: So, we’re giving them an alternative choice.

Nick: Sure, it’s a good choice. Having gone through so many help tickets, emails, people seem to get a little bit confused as far as how to—I don’t want to say go through the material but—go through the material. They’re not sure what they should pull from what to kind of help them achieve their goal, more or less. Let’s say mind projection, healing, so on and so forth. [50:53]

 

Eric: Let me address that and hopefully you’ll see what I’m going to do with this. Look, there is a lot of material. To people who have gone through all of the material, they may say that there’s not enough material. It’s a matter of perspective by where you’re standing and you view. Either you view it as being large or you’re on it and you view it as being short. When people who have different interests, whether it be astral projection, healing, whatever it is, you can either call in and get direction from the staff, but if you don’t want to or that’s not an option, listen to me. There isn’t a single thing that I teach that you will not walk away feeling that you’ve gotten something huge out of it. If you ever feel that way, and I doubt anybody else will say this in the metaphysical industry: return it. That’s how confident I am. I know it sounds crazy.

 

I believe in the simple fact that if you clear your mind and you make a choice, the universe, in a sense, is the guiding hand of that choice. There is a reason why you’re choosing a certain module or a certain piece of material. This goes back to “want for nothing, gain everything,” ironically. Don’t make all your decisions with the material based on what you think you want. That’s the first mistake. Open yourself up to the possibility of something a little bit more random or working with something that you didn’t really anticipate. Watch how fast you realize, “My god, that is what I have been looking for! I have been looking for it in all the wrong areas, had I only known!”

 

What I’m saying is that if you don’t really know where to begin with the material, just close your eyes and spin the tail on the donkey or whatever and just grab something from HBI. I think that you might be shocked that it’s exactly what you’ve been looking for. I know it’s crazy to say something like that, but it’s not crazy at all if you listen to anything that I’m saying. Let the universe direct you. If it directed you to the door of Higher Balance, then trust it to start singling out the modules to you and let it share what it has to share with you. For sure, I guarantee you, there’s going to be a lot of information, not just a little, in any module, that is going to rock your world. You now are opening yourself up to new sectors instead of trying to control your education.

 

Nick: Right, right…which is interesting, the whole part of control is that nowadays, a lot of people are coming from other companies, other teachings—[53:55]

 

Eric: Tons of other schools of teaching. Yes, we’re seeing that increase.

 

Nick: They approach it as a step one, step two, step three, step four and because those emails come in, I’m like, “Why don’t we do that?” My thought—and tell me if I’m wrong—is that for one, if I’m on step three, I technically kind of need something from step five to really understand step three. So, if I’m taking step one and step two, it’s actually longer to get from point A to point B versus let’s say with Higher Balance, it’s more like you’re building a neural network of information because you’re garnering all of this information. Healing techniques can apply to mind projection. It can apply to this. [54:07]

 

Eric: It’s all interconnected, absolutely.

 

Nick: It builds your neural system or your consciousness faster that way than with step one, step two, step three. [54:50]

 

Eric: Well, this gets into artificial intelligence and what they’re figuring out already just now. It’s what I’ve known for eons and what I’ve pushed for eons.

 

Nick: When I came to that realization, as always, I’m like, “Ehh!” [55:08]

 

Eric: You name me a piece of material that I teach, not something from—If they think about it from metaphysical books and stuff and you hear, “Oh, ESP, psychic, telepathy—” When I do telepathy, it’s like, “Holy shit, I never realized all those things! Now it makes perfect sense.” Name a module that doesn’t fit with another module that you can’t—It’s interconnected! It’s a living thing! I keep saying this and people don’t get me. It’s all one thing, really.

 

Nick: When I had that realization, it definitely—[55:42]

 

Eric: That’s advanced intelligence to have that realization. No, really. That’s good.

 

Nick: To say what a genius you are in how you approach things. For me—He doesn’t say what he does but I know he knows what he’s doing. [55:51]

 

Eric: If I say what I do then people will classify it and then there’s no point to it!

 

Nick: Right. [56:10]

 

Eric: Just remember one thing: Is there truly any chaos in the universe? The more chaotic something is, the higher level of order that’s to it. I’ll rest my case on that.

 

Nick: I think we can end with that. [56:25]

 

Eric: Alright. We’ll end with that.

 

Nick: Alright, awesome. Thank you, Eric. [56:30]

 

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